US pausing Military aid to Ukraine

[quid21]

To me it feels like Trump is trying to get Zelenskyy to quit using extortion. Give us your mineral wealth or no peace, no peace deal without stepping down. You need us but we're not going to help you because you didn't say thank you.

I keep seeing Trump and Vance being labelled Politicians - they may be in power, but they are not proper Politicians, in my opinion diplomacy appears dead, its all about greed and money - all the things that make capitalism vulgar.

Capitulate or we withdraw support.

It wouldn't surprise me if RUssia hold on to the captured areas and then sell the US the minerals anyway, such is the cosy relationship between the Dictator and the Criminal.

[James Cutting]

Completely agree there. Anyway, who expects Russia to hold up their end of the deal anyway…Like they’re true to their word.

[cat1]

I note that Trump’s botox injected pet chihuahua is getting flak for stating that the UK is ‘a random country that hasn’t fought in a war for 30 or 40 years’.

That kind of says it all really.

Wrong. Nowhere does he mention country names.

France and the UK are the only 2 countries to pledge peacekeeping troops to Ukraine, if he wasn't talking about them then who was it genius?

if anyone read his speech in full (which it appears nobody did) he refers to counties that are anti US outwardly but then pick up the phone and offer to help. Someone like turkey for instance. Hence the 'hasn't been in a war for 20 years'.

Vance is a marine for goodness sake, he would have seen the UK in Iraq and definitely wouldn't say something like that about a country which holds at least two American airbases and goodness knows how many radar facilities etc.

The media have dressed this up to be something it absolutely isn't, and even politicians have been fooled (not that hard i guess ) . this is an example of yet another outright lie from the bbc etc.

[James Cutting]

It’s not the media it’s literally what he said…

[cat1]

Ok, fair enough.

Please show me your evidence inferring he was talking about the UK

[James Cutting]

I didn’t say that. It’s obvious exactly what he’s implying - he mentioned peacekeeping troops which the UK is one of the countries to do so. He used to hate Trump and very against him so what does that tell you.

[cat1]

from t news

In a post on social media, Vance added: "But let's be direct: there are many countries who are volunteering (privately or publicly) support who have neither the battlefield experience nor the military equipment to do anything meaningful."

So far only the UK and France have publicly committed troops towards policing any potential peace deal in Ukraine, although Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has previously said a "number of countries" have agreed to.

[James Cutting]

“T news” - who???

[cat1]

Basically, he tripped over himself buy saying some random country had offered aid, probably a private conversation which was best not shared. And from absolutely nothing, purely on the basis that the UK had publicly offered aid, almost everyone immediately assumed he was speaking about us.

And I get told not to assume things

I'm open to being completely wrong but as of yet there is no good evidence of that whatsoever.

Edit:

sorry james - bbc

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx ... o#comments

side note, look at the number of comments!!!!

[James Cutting]

But it wasn’t a private conversation…

https://youtu.be/mOKZ6hbE6_M?si=BpdqHLNVequ6B4Tw

Thousands of sensible comments which says a lot.

[cat1]

Sorry I wasn't specific enough,

USA has private conversation with goodness knows who, Sweden for example.

Sweden says we are happy to give 20,000 troops to Ukraine to help out

Vance fluffs his lines and narrowly misses saying the counties name and says 'some random county'

And because we committed troops now he's "obviously talking about us"?????

If that's the case then why aren't France absolutely furious as well...?

[James Cutting]

Am with you now. To me, even if we’ll split hairs over who or who it wasn’t aimed at, it really wasn’t a smart speech. If you’ve got the ability to support the country then you should do that.

[cat1]

I'll happily admit JDV is acting like a bit of a muppet currently - if he would just stfu for a while so he could learn the ropes and not say things like the above.
One trump is quite enough thank you

[cat1]

I would just add, whoever that country is (i would assume they know who they are) good luck getting them back on your side when you need them.

Very poor diplomacy

[slogen51]

I didn’t say that. It’s obvious exactly what he’s implying - he mentioned peacekeeping troops which the UK is one of the countries to do so. He used to hate Trump and very against him so what does that tell you.

I completely agree - I felt Vance was referring to the UK

He has since clumsily back tracked from his comments referring I think to Turkey?

Vance is not a big fan of Europe or the UK as witnessed in his now infamous 'Munich Speech'

"And perhaps most concerningly, I look to our very dear friends, the United Kingdom, where the backslide away from conscience rights has placed the basic liberties of religious Britons, in particular, in the crosshairs.

A little over two years ago, the British government charged Adam Smith-Connor, a 51-year-old physiotherapist and an army veteran, with the heinous crime of standing 50 meters from an abortion clinic and silently praying for three minutes".

The above refers to a legitimate law preventing protests with 200 meters of an abortion clinic to avoid intimidating women going to and from the clinic - Smith-Connor was asked to move and refused later he was also in contempt of court. This had absolutely nothing to do with Religion or the banning of worship - Vance twisted the story

Vance also met with the far right - anti Ukraine aid - Afd party in Germany and criticised German authorities for not inviting them to the Munich conference. Far right politics in Germany is a very sensitive issue and there is legislation that effectively creates a fire wall - Vance see this as Europe against Democracy!

The full text of Vance's Munich speech - some of it is hard to swallow

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/artic ... 24_23.html

[iainpeden]

I would just add, whoever that country is (i would assume they know who they are) good luck getting them back on your side when you need them.

Very poor diplomacy

I suspect that if/when Vance becomes POTUS a UK state visit will not be one of the things on the British agenda.

[James Cutting]

I didn’t say that. It’s obvious exactly what he’s implying - he mentioned peacekeeping troops which the UK is one of the countries to do so. He used to hate Trump and very against him so what does that tell you.

I completely agree - I felt Vance was referring to the UK

He has since clumsily back tracked from his comments referring I think to Turkey?

Vance is not a big fan of Europe or the UK as witnessed in his now infamous 'Munich Speech'

"And perhaps most concerningly, I look to our very dear friends, the United Kingdom, where the backslide away from conscience rights has placed the basic liberties of religious Britons, in particular, in the crosshairs.

A little over two years ago, the British government charged Adam Smith-Connor, a 51-year-old physiotherapist and an army veteran, with the heinous crime of standing 50 meters from an abortion clinic and silently praying for three minutes".

The above refers to a legitimate law preventing protests with 200 meters of an abortion clinic to avoid intimidating women going to and from the clinic - Smith-Connor was asked to move and refused later he was also in contempt of court. This had absolutely nothing to do with Religion or the banning of worship - Vance twisted the story

Vance also met with the far right - anti Ukraine aid - Afd party in Germany and criticised German authorities for not inviting them to the Munich conference. Far right politics in Germany is a very sensitive issue and there is legislation that effectively creates a fire wall - Vance see this as Europe against Democracy!

The full text of Vance's Munich speech - some of it is hard to swallow

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/artic ... 24_23.html

This is exactly it, and a lot of it is being lost upon our 2 strongest US sympathisers within this thread (if that is the correct phrase - not a dig, just an observation). It's not the media that's spinning these "fake news" articles, they are regularly fact checking them, and it is Trump and Vance themselves who are telling the MAGA 'sheep' what they want to hear.

[cat1]

I am a US sympathiser I guess, which is fine be me!

I am not, however, a fan of any external politician commenting on our internal affairs for political gain.

I support Trump - Vance, but Vance was and is in no position to comment on the Smith Connor case. If that was acceptable, then we could point to the weekly school shootings, the George Floyd case and the Guantanamo bay files to rip the United States government to shreds.

Don't see why they should start to poke holes in our national affairs.

I support the some of their principles but as humans they leave a lot to be desired

The "some random country" comment is somewhat subjective depending on your point of view, but this is an obvious case of political interference

[baz1]

I would just add, whoever that country is (i would assume they know who they are) good luck getting them back on your side when you need them.

Very poor diplomacy

I suspect that if/when Vance becomes POTUS a UK state visit will not be one of the things on the British agenda.

why on earth give a state visit to a convicted felon?? it says a lot about us just look how Trump was with the Queen.

[colp]

I would just add, whoever that country is (i would assume they know who they are) good luck getting them back on your side when you need them.

Very poor diplomacy

I suspect that if/when Vance becomes POTUS a UK state visit will not be one of the things on the British agenda.

why on earth give a state visit to a convicted felon?? it says a lot about us just look how Trump was with the Queen.

I agree, and to me just looks like a typical suck up to the US regardless.