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Re: UK to scrap some warships, helicopters and drones

Post by Leuchars Fan » Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:09 pm

Blackcat1 and Warthog,

Thanks for posting, I was beginning to think I was going quite round the twist. Even that last post to you Blaccat 1, all one can sya is these chaps are brilliant at defending the indefensible, therefore should serve the colours, if not already doing so!

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Re: UK to scrap some warships, helicopters and drones

Post by Leuchars Fan » Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:12 pm

warthog81 wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:52 pm
The main issue with Typhoon is how few of them there are. After all these years just 6 actual combat squadrons at just 2 bases. I remember the cold war plan was something like 5 bases! During the 1990s from memory it was going to be 232 Typhoons and 3 bases.

Now they follow all the eggs in one basket approach with just Coningsby and Lossiemouth.

If Tempest does go ahead I wonder how few of those there will be.
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Re: UK to scrap some warships, helicopters and drones

Post by Blackcat1 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:14 pm

Leuchars Fan wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:12 pm
warthog81 wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:52 pm
The main issue with Typhoon is how few of them there are. After all these years just 6 actual combat squadrons at just 2 bases. I remember the cold war plan was something like 5 bases! During the 1990s from memory it was going to be 232 Typhoons and 3 bases.

Now they follow all the eggs in one basket approach with just Coningsby and Lossiemouth.

Thank you !
If Tempest does go ahead I wonder how few of those there will be.
One! :thumb:
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Re: UK to scrap some warships, helicopters and drones

Post by Blackcat1 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:15 pm

Leuchars Fan wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:12 pm
warthog81 wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:52 pm
The main issue with Typhoon is how few of them there are. After all these years just 6 actual combat squadrons at just 2 bases. I remember the cold war plan was something like 5 bases! During the 1990s from memory it was going to be 232 Typhoons and 3 bases.

Now they follow all the eggs in one basket approach with just Coningsby and Lossiemouth.

If Tempest does go ahead I wonder how few of those there will be.
One! :thumb:
Thank you!
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Re: UK to scrap some warships, helicopters and drones

Post by Finty » Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:31 pm

Blackcat1 wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:21 pm
NorvilleRogers wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:56 pm
Blackcat1 wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:07 pm



“The Jaguar was at the top of its game after the upgrades & had a good few years left at the time of retirement” quoted by Wing Commander John Sullivan.
He was highly unlikely to say anything other than that given he was head of the Jaguar force at the time.
Ok wind your neck in 🤣🤣 it was the truth though , she was!

And yet none of this answers the original question regarding capability gaps. Jaguar’s withdrawal led to reduced mass but not a capability gap, unlike the aforementioned withdrawal of Harrier GR/ Nimrod/ Sentry.
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Re: UK to scrap some warships, helicopters and drones

Post by Blackcat1 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 5:09 pm

Finty wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:31 pm
Blackcat1 wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:21 pm
NorvilleRogers wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:56 pm


He was highly unlikely to say anything other than that given he was head of the Jaguar force at the time.
Ok wind your neck in 🤣🤣 it was the truth though , she was!

And yet none of this answers the original question regarding capability gaps. Jaguar’s withdrawal led to reduced mass but not a capability gap, unlike the aforementioned withdrawal of Harrier GR/ Nimrod/ Sentry.
I was just stating that Jag was at top of its game & had a few years left in her when she was retired. Didn’t expect a quarrel about it on this usually friendly forum 😳
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Re: UK to scrap some warships, helicopters and drones

Post by Blackcat1 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 5:16 pm

Let’s stop the “droaning” on 🤣 we have no influence over the MOD, government , Ruskies or little green men. So best if we all just let it go. Chill out and have a beer or a milkshake.

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Re: UK to scrap some warships, helicopters and drones

Post by Mike » Wed Nov 27, 2024 6:29 pm

Oh dear, what exactly have you guys been smoking or drinking, this afternoon?

Give it a rest please.

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Re: UK to scrap some warships, helicopters and drones

Post by Leuchars Fan » Wed Nov 27, 2024 6:31 pm

Blackcat1 wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 5:16 pm
Let’s stop the “droaning” on 🤣 we have no influence over the MOD, government , Ruskies or little green men. So best if we all just let it go. Chill out and have a beer or a milkshake.

Peace Man!! ✌️
I'm working tonight (well I say working, but you know what I mean) so I still can't have a Beer and I haven't got access to Milkshakes, so I'll have a Sugar Free Red Bull or something. :thumbs: Eerm, hope I haven't strayed off topic agIN. :blush:

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Re: UK to scrap some warships, helicopters and drones

Post by Blackcat1 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 6:38 pm

Leuchars Fan wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 6:31 pm
Blackcat1 wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 5:16 pm
Let’s stop the “droaning” on 🤣 we have no influence over the MOD, government , Ruskies or little green men. So best if we all just let it go. Chill out and have a beer or a milkshake.

Peace Man!! ✌️
I'm working tonight (well I say working, but you know what I mean) so I still can't have a Beer and I haven't got access to Milkshakes, so I'll have a Sugar Free Red Bull or something. :thumbs: Eerm, hope I haven't strayed off topic agIN. :blush:

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Enjoy mate! I’ve been on days today 🤣 it’s been a long day , so oh fudge it I’m on my 3rd beer! The way things are going I should be on my 6th 🤣🤣. I’m a decent enough bloke , i don’t like quarrels & all that bull. Let’s all get on, life is too short!!
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Re: UK to scrap some warships, helicopters and drones

Post by Blackcat1 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 8:30 pm

Mike wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 6:29 pm
Oh dear, what exactly have you guys been smoking or drinking, this afternoon?

Give it a rest please.

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I don’t smoke nothing! What are you implying!! Chill out dude 🤣🤣🤣
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Re: UK to scrap some warships, helicopters and drones

Post by Blackcat1 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 8:38 pm

Anyway back to topic. Apologies to big boss Mike etc, it’s been a long working evening with a funeral thrown in too. So not the best of days for me.
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Re: UK to scrap some warships, helicopters and drones

Post by raptor9 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 8:47 pm

Tongue in cheek 'don't smoke nothing' means you smoke something!!. :) :)

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