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Health Warning - Smokers!

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Health Warning - Smokers!

Post by F3 » Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:30 am

Back when smoking was de rigeur even the aircraft smoked due to the thirsty engines developed in the 50s and 60s. The B-52a and B-66s were particularly dirty as were the F-104 and F-4 with their General Electric J-79 engines. However the Rolls Royce engined UK F-4s were nt much cleaner as illustrated below. Other notable British smokers were the Lightning, VC-10 and Vulcan and even Concorde smoked when its engines were fired up. One of the smokiest take-offs ever seen was by B-52 'Swashbuckler' @ the '88 Air Fete which was only beaten by a 3 Vulcan Scramble. These days it's rare to see a jet smoking at an air show, unless there's a MiG-29 in the programme!

ImageF-111 - Ch. Fenton '8- by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImageLinton - Tornado GR1s 617 Sqn. '91 by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImagePhantom F-4K J 111 Sqn. Ch. Fenton circa '84 by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImagePhantom FGR.2s - Linton circa '91 by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImageBattle of Britain 50 Ann flypast - Abingdon '90 by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImageCh.Fenton - Lightning tailchase summer '83 by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImageBuccaneer -208 Sqn display ship departing Ch Fenton '91 by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImageVC-10 10 Sqn - Nicolson Event (1) by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImageEC-135 Mildenhall circa '80 by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImageCAF Cf-104s - Mildenhall '82 by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImageRF-4C - Ch. Fenton '82 by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImageElvington - Luftwaffe F-4Fs '96 by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImageConcorde - RIAT circa '98 by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImageMiG29 - PAF Leuchars 06 (3) by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImageRB-66 take -off - Alconbury by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImageB52 take - off - Air Fete '88 by Michael Britton, on Flickr

ImageFinningley '81 - Vulcan scramble by Michael Britton, on Flickr

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Re: Health Warning - Smokers!

Post by Mustang531 » Fri Nov 08, 2024 1:23 pm

Thanks for sharing these with us, forgotten how smoky some types were. I was at Finningley in 1981 and sure it was a quartet of Vulcans that scrambled at the show.

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Re: Health Warning - Smokers!

Post by F3 » Fri Nov 08, 2024 3:34 pm

Y're quite right. I found it impossible to get more than 3 in the frame at any time. The fourth will have been just getting airborne and the leader is already breaking away. Same with the Lightnings. They were the last 3 of 4 - the leader having just departed vertically over my head!

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Re: Health Warning - Smokers!

Post by Knife 04 » Fri Nov 08, 2024 6:01 pm

Interesting shots Michael

I think your EC-135 is a RC-135U with the old 'Towel Rail' fitment

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Re: Health Warning - Smokers!

Post by eLaReF » Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:26 pm

You don't see that much in these days of higher efficiency engines (Unfortunately) but always loved smokey shots like yours. Just never took many!!

My smokiest shot is, unfortunately, a Modern Air CV990 so OT here but I'll just add the link without the image https://flic.kr/p/ee7D7S

So just a couple (I don't have 'smoke' as a tag so finding them ain't easy!)

ImageXV108 Vickers VC10 C.1K msn 838 Y 101Sq by eLaReF, on Flickr

ImageMM6776 Lockheed F-104S Starfighter msn 1076 9-46 9 Stormo by eLaReF, on Flickr
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Re: Health Warning - Smokers!

Post by F3 » Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:27 pm

Liking the typically dirty F-104. Did nt realise the updated S version was still so bad. Everyone else please post yr own dirty pics (no not that kind - aircraft only) and see if we can make a smokers thread.

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Re: Health Warning - Smokers!

Post by STARIL » Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:17 pm

Surely someone has a photo or two of the KC-135As departing the hall using water injection!!
Seem to remember vast numbers doing this returning the F-111F's to the states, or are the grey cells at fault??

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Re: Health Warning - Smokers!

Post by Knife 04 » Sat Nov 09, 2024 5:26 pm

STARIL wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:17 pm
Surely someone has a photo or two of the KC-135As departing the hall using water injection!!
Grey cells not at fault STARIL - they did - have some more but not processed yet
ImageKC-135A - 61-0266 - 97th BW, Blytheville AFB by Darren Currie, on Flickr

Fairford too...........
ImageKC-135A - 62-3565 - 305th ARW, Grissom AFB by Darren Currie, on Flickr

ImageKC-135A - 61-0267 - 97th BW - 11th Strategic Group, RAF Fairford by Darren Currie, on Flickr

ImageKC-135A 'GLOB' - 62-3560 - 509th BW - TDY 11th Strategic Group by Darren Currie, on Flickr

B-52s as well
ImageB-52G - 59-2602 - 416 BW, Griffiss AFB by Darren Currie, on Flickr

ImageB-52G - 59-2602 - 416th BW, Griffiss AFB by Darren Currie, on Flickr

ImageThe epitome of Fairford - 'KAGO' Flight by Darren Currie, on Flickr

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Re: Health Warning - Smokers!

Post by STARIL » Sat Nov 09, 2024 10:44 pm

Knife04. Love 1 and 4. Case of better than vaping 🤣

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Re: Health Warning - Smokers!

Post by mancman » Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:32 am

A few smokers from the past.

I think the smokiest aircraft in UK skies at the moment apart from the visiting B-52s is the civilian AN-12 operated by Cavok.

ImageC-135F French AF St Mawgan June 1985 by Andy Bird, on Flickr

ImageBoB Flypast RAF Sept 1990 Abingdon by Andy Bird, on Flickr

ImageC-130 RAF x 15 1987 Fairford by Andy Bird, on Flickr

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Re: Health Warning - Smokers!

Post by F3 » Sun Nov 10, 2024 10:04 am

Thanks for the contributions guys. Well impressed and I think Darren's pic of the B-52s departing Fairford is the smokiest yet!

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Re: Health Warning - Smokers!

Post by Knife 04 » Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:08 pm

STARIL wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2024 10:44 pm
Knife04. Love 1 and 4. Case of better than vaping 🤣
Another from Mildenhall 1991
ImageKC-135A - 58-0042 - 380th ARS, Plattsburgh AFB by Darren Currie, on Flickr

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Re: Health Warning - Smokers!

Post by Retro » Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:07 pm

A pair of smoking whales at Point Mugu :

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Re: Health Warning - Smokers!

Post by F3 » Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:01 am

Excellent latest additions to the thread. There's no wonder USAF re-engined the KC-135s back in the '90s and thanks for those rare Whale pics Retro. Funny nose on that 2nd one, obs some type of radar?

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Re: Health Warning - Smokers!

Post by Ferrari » Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:05 am

Fantastic.
The B-66 and A-3 shots are a bit different!

Thanks for posting,
Regards,
Ferrari

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