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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by Stug298 » Sun May 22, 2022 4:29 pm

Chaos wrote:
Sun May 22, 2022 12:09 pm
EGVP wrote:
Sun May 22, 2022 11:13 am
They're coordinates that draw the area's shape. They are not the route being flown, as a lot of people seem to think on social media!
Thanks for that.
So does anyone have an idea as to the straight line approach to Cranwell, I did do a basic straight line from Marham to Cranwell to give a flight path but now that Marham is not in the zone I'm not sure.
i think from looking at the charts the approach will be from the south...just my guesstimate!!!

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by Chaos » Mon May 23, 2022 8:45 am

plmc135 wrote:
Sun May 22, 2022 3:33 pm
From watching the practice from home in South Lincs, it has never been a straight line flight. The normal assembly point is Southwold on the Norfolk coast then towards Wisbech/Spalding where the shallow right turn takes place.

For the practice any helicopters join the entourage from the West and what should be a formation can be represented by a single aircraft, a role regularly performed by Cranwell King Airs in the past.

You also need to keep a close eye on the weather. Aircraft start to assemble over the North Sea quite a long time before the trail is established. If there are no aircraft assembling it is the sign that it is a no go that day.
Thanks for your help. That route would take them South West of Sleaford. The issue is looking at the NOTAM this time they are not using the area from Southwold to Wisbech and will be coming inland from the Wash area. If they head to Spalding area from the Wash then that leaves a tight right turn to Cranwell. If they go straight from the Wash area then that would put them North East of Sleaford instead.

To track aircraft assembling would they show up on ADSB exchange or FR24
So far the forecast for tomorrow is light rain showers and a "fresh breeze" with a higher possibility of rain at 2pm would they be a go or no-go.

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by Bilvo » Mon May 23, 2022 10:40 am

plmc135 wrote:
Sun May 22, 2022 3:33 pm
From watching the practice from home in South Lincs, it has never been a straight line flight. The normal assembly point is Southwold on the Norfolk coast then towards Wisbech/Spalding where the shallow right turn takes place.

For the practice any helicopters join the entourage from the West and what should be a formation can be represented by a single aircraft, a role regularly performed by Cranwell King Airs in the past.

You also need to keep a close eye on the weather. Aircraft start to assemble over the North Sea quite a long time before the trail is established. If there are no aircraft assembling it is the sign that it is a no go that day.
I know the county boundary with Suffolk has changed overtime but I don't think Souhwold has ever been on the Norfolk coast... :Oops: :Wow: :clap:
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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by Bilvo » Mon May 23, 2022 10:42 am

Chaos wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 8:45 am
plmc135 wrote:
Sun May 22, 2022 3:33 pm
From watching the practice from home in South Lincs, it has never been a straight line flight. The normal assembly point is Southwold on the Norfolk coast then towards Wisbech/Spalding where the shallow right turn takes place.

For the practice any helicopters join the entourage from the West and what should be a formation can be represented by a single aircraft, a role regularly performed by Cranwell King Airs in the past.

You also need to keep a close eye on the weather. Aircraft start to assemble over the North Sea quite a long time before the trail is established. If there are no aircraft assembling it is the sign that it is a no go that day.
Thanks for your help. That route would take them South West of Sleaford. The issue is looking at the NOTAM this time they are not using the area from Southwold to Wisbech and will be coming inland from the Wash area. If they head to Spalding area from the Wash then that leaves a tight right turn to Cranwell. If they go straight from the Wash area then that would put them North East of Sleaford instead.

To track aircraft assembling would they show up on ADSB exchange or FR24
So far the forecast for tomorrow is light rain showers and a "fresh breeze" with a higher possibility of rain at 2pm would they be a go or no-go.
Isn't the formation routing from Southwold to Marham, i.e. "inland" of the Wash area??
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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by plmc135 » Mon May 23, 2022 10:45 am

Bilvo wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 10:40 am
plmc135 wrote:
Sun May 22, 2022 3:33 pm
From watching the practice from home in South Lincs, it has never been a straight line flight. The normal assembly point is Southwold on the Norfolk coast then towards Wisbech/Spalding where the shallow right turn takes place.

For the practice any helicopters join the entourage from the West and what should be a formation can be represented by a single aircraft, a role regularly performed by Cranwell King Airs in the past.

You also need to keep a close eye on the weather. Aircraft start to assemble over the North Sea quite a long time before the trail is established. If there are no aircraft assembling it is the sign that it is a no go that day.
I know the county boundary with Suffolk has changed overtime but I don't think Souhwold has ever been on the Norfolk coast... :Oops: :Wow: :clap:
Souhwold ?? :whistle: :Oops:

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by Chaos » Mon May 23, 2022 12:09 pm

Bilvo wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 10:42 am


Isn't the formation routing from Southwold to Marham, i.e. "inland" of the Wash area??
Not acording to the new NOTAM that section is not included - see here https://www.facebook.com/groups/Conings ... 771779777/

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by reaper493 » Mon May 23, 2022 2:10 pm

Does anyone have a time over Cranwell?

From reading the NOTAM I'm thinking its 13:00 or maybe 13.15L?

Mike

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by gyvespa » Mon May 23, 2022 3:11 pm

If things run as usual…….

First aircraft acting as the ‘leader’ used to be a C17 probably due to the fact that it has good fuel capacity and it was usually on station about 20 to 30 mins before things kicked off. Probably doing a weather check.
I can’t remember the frequency but the call sign was Madras IIRC.
Last on scene just as the whole flock departed was usually the Red Arrows.

The map linked above for the practice won’t be the same as the flypast in case anyone is new to this. The flypast route will be more Southwold/Ipswich based, in recent years I believe they’ve been OTT Aldeburgh.

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by POL » Mon May 23, 2022 3:12 pm

MADRAS would have been a Voyager, not a C-17 (often callsign BLACKCAT or GIANT in the past?)

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by Chaos » Mon May 23, 2022 3:17 pm

reaper493 wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 2:10 pm
Does anyone have a time over Cranwell?

From reading the NOTAM I'm thinking its 13:00 or maybe 13.15L?

Mike
Any other offers out there as I will be making a 100 mile round trip

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by gyvespa » Mon May 23, 2022 3:34 pm

‘MADRAS would have been a Voyager, not a C-17 (often callsign BLACKCAT or GIANT in the past?’

You could well be right. Although I can’t remember a Blackcat or Giant call sign.

Sometimes I’d watch it, sometimes I’d listen if I couldn’t get the time off. One year I waited until the first signs of action then proceeded at Warp Factor 2 to Southwold on the bike. I remember hoofing down the Kessingland Bypass and have multiple Tornados whizzing past at quite a low height. Excellent.
As I said though. It’s usually a big transport acting as leader. That gives the clue that it’s happening.

Drive carefully folks.

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by raptor9 » Mon May 23, 2022 4:17 pm

Gyvespa. For a huge fee, I could give you my Sister-in-law's 'phone number, and she could give you the info 'cos she lives in Southwold. :) :)

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by gyvespa » Mon May 23, 2022 4:31 pm

Obviously a Billionairess.
Millionaires can only afford Beach Huts in Southwold :-)

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by plmc135 » Mon May 23, 2022 5:31 pm

Chaos wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 3:17 pm
reaper493 wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 2:10 pm
Does anyone have a time over Cranwell?

From reading the NOTAM I'm thinking its 13:00 or maybe 13.15L?

Mike
Any other offers out there as I will be making a 100 mile round trip
A quick and easy search on the net confirms the time as 1300 over Buck House. Practice normally runs to the same times.

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by TeeJay » Mon May 23, 2022 5:45 pm

EGVP wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 3:12 pm
MADRAS would have been a Voyager, not a C-17 (often callsign BLACKCAT or GIANT in the past?)
Correct. C17 usually calls BLACKCAT on QBF duty and agree MADRAS would be the voyager.

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by Stug298 » Mon May 23, 2022 6:12 pm

click on the charts for all the info and times...https://www.military-airshows.co.uk/pre ... m%20Palace.

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by Chaos » Mon May 23, 2022 6:24 pm

What constitutes bad weather for the 1st attempt to be scrubbed to another day. The forecast for tomorrow is not great and the 26th and 27th are much better

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by Chaos » Mon May 23, 2022 6:24 pm

Stug298 wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 6:12 pm
click on the charts for all the info and times...https://www.military-airshows.co.uk/pre ... m%20Palace.
Thanks and also plmc135

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by slogen51 » Mon May 23, 2022 6:34 pm

Chaos wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 12:09 pm
Bilvo wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 10:42 am


Isn't the formation routing from Southwold to Marham, i.e. "inland" of the Wash area??
Not acording to the new NOTAM that section is not included - see here https://www.facebook.com/groups/Conings ... 771779777/

The original notam was for a Marham overhead as per usual but that was cancelled by

B1175/22 - AIC M 031/2022 RESTRICTION OF FLYING REGULATIONS: PLATINUM
JUBILEE FLYPAST REHEARSALS 24, 26 AND 27 MAY 2022 CANCELLED, SEE
REPLACEMENT BRIEFING SHEET
HTTPS://NATS-UK.EAD-IT.COM/CMS-NATS/OPE ... /BRIEFING-
SHEETS/RESTRICTION-OF-FLYING-REGULATIONS-PLATINUM-JUBILEE-FLYPAST-REH
EARSALS-24-26-AND-27-MAY-2022.PDF. 13 MAY 14:56 2022 UNTIL 01 JUN 23:59 2022.
CREATED: 13 MAY 14:56 2022

So as per the above maps they appear to enter and exit the wash marshalling area via the holbeach / wash area

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Re: Queens birthday Flypast

Post by Starbuck » Mon May 23, 2022 10:31 pm

slogen51 wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 6:34 pm
Chaos wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 12:09 pm
Bilvo wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 10:42 am


Isn't the formation routing from Southwold to Marham, i.e. "inland" of the Wash area??
Not acording to the new NOTAM that section is not included - see here https://www.facebook.com/groups/Conings ... 771779777/

The original notam was for a Marham overhead as per usual but that was cancelled by

B1175/22 - AIC M 031/2022 RESTRICTION OF FLYING REGULATIONS: PLATINUM
JUBILEE FLYPAST REHEARSALS 24, 26 AND 27 MAY 2022 CANCELLED, SEE
REPLACEMENT BRIEFING SHEET
HTTPS://NATS-UK.EAD-IT.COM/CMS-NATS/OPE ... /BRIEFING-
SHEETS/RESTRICTION-OF-FLYING-REGULATIONS-PLATINUM-JUBILEE-FLYPAST-REH
EARSALS-24-26-AND-27-MAY-2022.PDF. 13 MAY 14:56 2022 UNTIL 01 JUN 23:59 2022.
CREATED: 13 MAY 14:56 2022

So as per the above maps they appear to enter and exit the wash marshalling area via the holbeach / wash area
Sadly the link doesn't work.

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