The Ukraine Situation

[Blackcat1]

Send Boris to have a chat with Putin, I'm sure he'd save the day

[pg1610]

Presumably
the much-touted UK ban on Aeroflot is just that - a ban on Aeroflot alone - while Russian cargo operators can make their way through UK airspace uimpeded.

This is the UK NOTAM :

B0487/22 (Issued for EGPX EGTT) - UKRAINE CRISIS: AIRSPACE RESTRICTION ISSUED BY THE DEPARTMENT FOR
TRANSPORT - NO AIRCRAFT WHICH IS OWNED, CHARTERED OR OPERATED BY A
PERSON CONNECTED WITH RUSSIA, OR WHICH IS REGISTERED IN RUSSIA SHALL
FLY IN UNITED KINGDOM AIRSPACE, INCLUDING IN THE AIRSPACE ABOVE THE
UNITED KINGDOM'S TERRITORIAL SEA. THIS REGULATION DOES NOT APPLY TO
ANY AIRCRAFT FLYING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE UK
SECRETARY OF STATE FOR TRANSPORT OR TO ACFT FLYING IN ACCORDANCE
WITH A CLEARANCE ISSUED BY THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL CENTRE AT
SWANWICK OR PRESTWICK. PERMISSION AVAILABLE FROM UK DEPARTMENT FOR
TRANSPORT: +44 0300 330 3000, MON - FRI 0830-1730, OR VIA
DUTYOFFICERS(AT)DFT.GOV.UK, OR IN WRITING TO: CONTACTDFT (AT)
DFT.GOV.UK. 2022-02-0372/AS6. 25 FEB 21:00 2022 UNTIL 23 MAY 11:59 2022. CREATED:
25 FEB 21:19 2022

However, AIUI a lot of Russian Civil aircraft are registered in Bermuda, so these, if operated by a non Russian crew on a non Russian task might still be allowed.

Pretty sure the ban covers anything owned/operated by Russian Control regardless of Country of registration etc, otherwise the Private jet operators would not be affected

the line is there in the NOTAM

"NO AIRCRAFT WHICH IS OWNED, CHARTERED OR OPERATED BY A
PERSON CONNECTED WITH RUSSIA"

Which I am Pretty sure the ban covers anything owned/operated by Russian Control regardless of Country of registration etc, otherwise the Private jet operators would not be affected

[pg1610]

I watched Ursula von der Leyen's press-conference and what was conspicuous by its absence was any indication of when these actions/decisions may/will come into effect. Have I missed something, or was this just a 'statement of intent'? The ABC 747 passing by the Shetland Islands this afternoon on its way to Atlanta - much the same route as the VDA Il-76 heading for Rekyavik on Friday evening on its way to Portsmouth (Pease) in New Hampshire - would suggest that any ban is still a work in progress. Presumably
the much-touted UK ban on Aeroflot is just that - a ban on Aeroflot alone - while Russian cargo operators can make their way through UK airspace uimpeded.

Apologies if I've got any of the facts wrong - happy to be put right on any of them.

You are correct , apparently its all got to be signed off this evening by the meeting of Foreign Ministers

notable is the absence of a USA flight ban ? quite surprised at that one

The UK ban (and I assume EU in time) affects all Russian owned/operated aircraft not just Aeroflot (so no more Russian PPE charters, good job we got everything in DEC/JAN )

[Rob666]

Seriously?

The facts are Russia has invaded Ukraine of which there is no doubt, they are the bad guys 100%. The Ukrainian people are suffering due to this darn madman and all started from his annex of Crimea, anything trying to bring a conversation about Zelensky if this is true or not does not justify Russia’s actions. So next your be saying that Poland has not had 115k people arrive or the poor women and children trying to scramble onto the trains etc can’t be trusted made for the TV masses. Sounds like you have info we don’t care to share what’s fact or fiction.

Look I am not defending Russia or Putin, I don't know for sure because he is the hardest player to read, but I would suggest he is as much of a globalist stooge as the western political leaders.

This is all pantomime, the battle lines are not NATO vs Russia, but a consortium of global public private partnerships (between banks, governments and mega corporations) vs the people of the world.

We as individuals are on the same side as the Ukrainian people, but also the Russian people. I agree with you the war is wrong but you simply can't say 100% the Russians are the bad guys.

For example as early as 2014 over 30 of these volunteer battalions cropped up in Ukraine and went to war on behalf of the western coup backed leader against Ukrainian people in the Donbass. Their army is not formed and centrally controlled like ours. As I understand it these volunteer battalions were essentially the private mafia regiments of rich, likely criminal, oligarchs. They are not 100% good guys, there are shades of grey in everything - including this invasion/conflict.

Amnesty International has documented calls that went unanswered to the government in Kiev about human rights abuses by these battalions operating in Eastern Ukraine. Why was this not on the media 24/7? Why do the media, if they are truly free and independent only ever push one side of agenda so hard and relentlessly? Why can't they give us balanced reporting so we can make our own minds up? I mean if someone was trying to sell you an old banger secondhand car and was trying too hard your gut instinct would warn you to walk away and that they may not be trustworthy. But with bad news it seems we become addicted to it and use it as an echo chamber to back up our feelings, created by the one sided coverage.

You also can't say this all started with the annexation of Crimea in 2014. Yes Ukraine wanted to be an independent nation following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, but it also wanted close relations with Russia. We never look at history, this applies to Africa and the Middle East especially, there seems to be this assumption that border lines on a map are clear cut counties, but language, religion, military, trading and family/tribal ties often predate the borders.

There has been an exodus of people from Ukraine for years now, along with other countries like Syria and the middle east. There is an agenda, clearly visible in the United States under the democrats of Biden with it's open Southern border and the EU for a high transformation of our societies via mass immigration. The invasion by Russia is the problem which creates the reaction of us wanting to save the refugees that brings about the solution (already planned) of more migration into countries like Britain. I'm not saying I have anything against other national people by the way, but look up George Soros and the open society foundation to see evidence of this mass movement of people being deliberate. The question is why? And if you didn't want the suffering of the Ukrainian people, or the changing demographic at home then don't overthrow a democratically elected leader in 2014 for a start.

I don't know anything more than anyone else, but what I won't do is demand a reaction. If I had to suggest, the thee real play here is to divert attention from other things and bring about changes in the future.

Your attention is such a powerful thing, and when the media and politicians are saying "look over here, look over here, no not there - over here" it is a distraction. Strange how the 24 hour covid coverage abruptly stopped? Wars have been used for centuries to create a bogeyman abroad, to unite the people against a common enemy. The real thing we should be outraged about and up in arms about are the developments in Canada, where 65,000 truckers have peacefully protested with the support of millions of Canadians from all walks of life against the far reaching mandates by Trudeau which are a clear breach of inalienable rights. These peace loving Canadians have had their bank accounts frozen and their ability to feed their families removed by a fascist dictator. Where is the media coverage? Where is the western condemnation of Trudeau? The media are lying by omission, it is not neccessarily the things they do report that are the lies, but the things they don't report...

Changes in the future could easily include the increase in energy prices to British homes further squeezing us and a great scapegoat to blame supply issues and any future problems or a recession on.

It also cements in peoples subconscious the idea that Russians are bad. So in years to come if your bank account gets hacked or the internet goes down they have someone to blame lined up. The Russians of course are in on this and you can research that by looking at something called 'Cyber Polygon' hosted by the World Economic Forum.

Right, I'm going out for the day - please don't take me the wrong way I'm not looking to argue we are all people who enjoy aviation in one way shape or form, I'm just trying to add some balance to the discussion.

Hi Craig, thanks for the detailed reply interesting and will look further appreciate your time the whole situation is a mess and never liked Putin being ex-KGB and riding on horseback with his top off seen him as a number one tw@t, closely followed by Trump!
Rob

[Blackcat1]

The facts are Russia has invaded Ukraine of which there is no doubt, they are the bad guys 100%. The Ukrainian people are suffering due to this darn madman and all started from his annex of Crimea, anything trying to bring a conversation about Zelensky if this is true or not does not justify Russia’s actions. So next your be saying that Poland has not had 115k people arrive or the poor women and children trying to scramble onto the trains etc can’t be trusted made for the TV masses. Sounds like you have info we don’t care to share what’s fact or fiction.

Look I am not defending Russia or Putin, I don't know for sure because he is the hardest player to read, but I would suggest he is as much of a globalist stooge as the western political leaders.

This is all pantomime, the battle lines are not NATO vs Russia, but a consortium of global public private partnerships (between banks, governments and mega corporations) vs the people of the world.

We as individuals are on the same side as the Ukrainian people, but also the Russian people. I agree with you the war is wrong but you simply can't say 100% the Russians are the bad guys.

For example as early as 2014 over 30 of these volunteer battalions cropped up in Ukraine and went to war on behalf of the western coup backed leader against Ukrainian people in the Donbass. Their army is not formed and centrally controlled like ours. As I understand it these volunteer battalions were essentially the private mafia regiments of rich, likely criminal, oligarchs. They are not 100% good guys, there are shades of grey in everything - including this invasion/conflict.

Amnesty International has documented calls that went unanswered to the government in Kiev about human rights abuses by these battalions operating in Eastern Ukraine. Why was this not on the media 24/7? Why do the media, if they are truly free and independent only ever push one side of agenda so hard and relentlessly? Why can't they give us balanced reporting so we can make our own minds up? I mean if someone was trying to sell you an old banger secondhand car and was trying too hard your gut instinct would warn you to walk away and that they may not be trustworthy. But with bad news it seems we become addicted to it and use it as an echo chamber to back up our feelings, created by the one sided coverage.

You also can't say this all started with the annexation of Crimea in 2014. Yes Ukraine wanted to be an independent nation following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, but it also wanted close relations with Russia. We never look at history, this applies to Africa and the Middle East especially, there seems to be this assumption that border lines on a map are clear cut counties, but language, religion, military, trading and family/tribal ties often predate the borders.

There has been an exodus of people from Ukraine for years now, along with other countries like Syria and the middle east. There is an agenda, clearly visible in the United States under the democrats of Biden with it's open Southern border and the EU for a high transformation of our societies via mass immigration. The invasion by Russia is the problem which creates the reaction of us wanting to save the refugees that brings about the solution (already planned) of more migration into countries like Britain. I'm not saying I have anything against other national people by the way, but look up George Soros and the open society foundation to see evidence of this mass movement of people being deliberate. The question is why? And if you didn't want the suffering of the Ukrainian people, or the changing demographic at home then don't overthrow a democratically elected leader in 2014 for a start.

I don't know anything more than anyone else, but what I won't do is demand a reaction. If I had to suggest, the thee real play here is to divert attention from other things and bring about changes in the future.

Your attention is such a powerful thing, and when the media and politicians are saying "look over here, look over here, no not there - over here" it is a distraction. Strange how the 24 hour covid coverage abruptly stopped? Wars have been used for centuries to create a bogeyman abroad, to unite the people against a common enemy. The real thing we should be outraged about and up in arms about are the developments in Canada, where 65,000 truckers have peacefully protested with the support of millions of Canadians from all walks of life against the far reaching mandates by Trudeau which are a clear breach of inalienable rights. These peace loving Canadians have had their bank accounts frozen and their ability to feed their families removed by a fascist dictator. Where is the media coverage? Where is the western condemnation of Trudeau? The media are lying by omission, it is not neccessarily the things they do report that are the lies, but the things they don't report...

Changes in the future could easily include the increase in energy prices to British homes further squeezing us and a great scapegoat to blame supply issues and any future problems or a recession on.

It also cements in peoples subconscious the idea that Russians are bad. So in years to come if your bank account gets hacked or the internet goes down they have someone to blame lined up. The Russians of course are in on this and you can research that by looking at something called 'Cyber Polygon' hosted by the World Economic Forum.

Right, I'm going out for the day - please don't take me the wrong way I'm not looking to argue we are all people who enjoy aviation in one way shape or form, I'm just trying to add some balance to the discussion.

Hi Craig, thanks for the detailed reply interesting and will look further appreciate your time the whole situation is a mess and never liked Putin being ex-KGB and riding on horseback with his top off seen him as a number one tw@t, closely followed by Trump!
Rob

Don't forget old BJ & JB

[baz1]

Sky News saying Putun has ordered his commanders to put nuclear weapons on alert after NATO statements today, Very worrying times.

nuclear weapon ( Defence Systems on Alert)

[Blackcat1]

" The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"

[XWP29]

Seriously?

The facts are Russia has invaded Ukraine of which there is no doubt, they are the bad guys 100%. The Ukrainian people are suffering due to this darn madman and all started from his annex of Crimea, anything trying to bring a conversation about Zelensky if this is true or not does not justify Russia’s actions. So next your be saying that Poland has not had 115k people arrive or the poor women and children trying to scramble onto the trains etc can’t be trusted made for the TV masses. Sounds like you have info we don’t care to share what’s fact or fiction.

Look I am not defending Russia or Putin, I don't know for sure because he is the hardest player to read, but I would suggest he is as much of a globalist stooge as the western political leaders.

This is all pantomime, the battle lines are not NATO vs Russia, but a consortium of global public private partnerships (between banks, governments and mega corporations) vs the people of the world.

We as individuals are on the same side as the Ukrainian people, but also the Russian people. I agree with you the war is wrong but you simply can't say 100% the Russians are the bad guys.

For example as early as 2014 over 30 of these volunteer battalions cropped up in Ukraine and went to war on behalf of the western coup backed leader against Ukrainian people in the Donbass. Their army is not formed and centrally controlled like ours. As I understand it these volunteer battalions were essentially the private mafia regiments of rich, likely criminal, oligarchs. They are not 100% good guys, there are shades of grey in everything - including this invasion/conflict.

Amnesty International has documented calls that went unanswered to the government in Kiev about human rights abuses by these battalions operating in Eastern Ukraine. Why was this not on the media 24/7? Why do the media, if they are truly free and independent only ever push one side of agenda so hard and relentlessly? Why can't they give us balanced reporting so we can make our own minds up? I mean if someone was trying to sell you an old banger secondhand car and was trying too hard your gut instinct would warn you to walk away and that they may not be trustworthy. But with bad news it seems we become addicted to it and use it as an echo chamber to back up our feelings, created by the one sided coverage.

You also can't say this all started with the annexation of Crimea in 2014. Yes Ukraine wanted to be an independent nation following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, but it also wanted close relations with Russia. We never look at history, this applies to Africa and the Middle East especially, there seems to be this assumption that border lines on a map are clear cut counties, but language, religion, military, trading and family/tribal ties often predate the borders.

There has been an exodus of people from Ukraine for years now, along with other countries like Syria and the middle east. There is an agenda, clearly visible in the United States under the democrats of Biden with it's open Southern border and the EU for a high transformation of our societies via mass immigration. The invasion by Russia is the problem which creates the reaction of us wanting to save the refugees that brings about the solution (already planned) of more migration into countries like Britain. I'm not saying I have anything against other national people by the way, but look up George Soros and the open society foundation to see evidence of this mass movement of people being deliberate. The question is why? And if you didn't want the suffering of the Ukrainian people, or the changing demographic at home then don't overthrow a democratically elected leader in 2014 for a start.

I don't know anything more than anyone else, but what I won't do is demand a reaction. If I had to suggest, the thee real play here is to divert attention from other things and bring about changes in the future.

Your attention is such a powerful thing, and when the media and politicians are saying "look over here, look over here, no not there - over here" it is a distraction. Strange how the 24 hour covid coverage abruptly stopped? Wars have been used for centuries to create a bogeyman abroad, to unite the people against a common enemy. The real thing we should be outraged about and up in arms about are the developments in Canada, where 65,000 truckers have peacefully protested with the support of millions of Canadians from all walks of life against the far reaching mandates by Trudeau which are a clear breach of inalienable rights. These peace loving Canadians have had their bank accounts frozen and their ability to feed their families removed by a fascist dictator. Where is the media coverage? Where is the western condemnation of Trudeau? The media are lying by omission, it is not neccessarily the things they do report that are the lies, but the things they don't report...

Changes in the future could easily include the increase in energy prices to British homes further squeezing us and a great scapegoat to blame supply issues and any future problems or a recession on.

It also cements in peoples subconscious the idea that Russians are bad. So in years to come if your bank account gets hacked or the internet goes down they have someone to blame lined up. The Russians of course are in on this and you can research that by looking at something called 'Cyber Polygon' hosted by the World Economic Forum.

Right, I'm going out for the day - please don't take me the wrong way I'm not looking to argue we are all people who enjoy aviation in one way shape or form, I'm just trying to add some balance to the discussion.

(The actor portraying) Putin has ordered his Nuclear weapons to be put on high alert. He is absolutely nothing like the western leaders.

[Red-Eye-Knight]

Sky News saying Putun has ordered his commanders to put nuclear weapons on alert after NATO statements today, Very worrying times.

nuclear weapon ( Defence Systems on Alert)

Yes nuclear defense systems so nuclear weapons still a nuclear weapon even if a defence system

[Red-Eye-Knight]

There should be a World Wide Law that forbids Nuclear Weapons of any kind, with an Immediate destruction of All of them.

Well said

[panta615]

Ukrainian Minister of Foreign Affairs has confirmed that the AN225 has been destroyed

[Alf]

From the BBC

Germany has just witnessed a truly historic day. Chancellor Olaf Scholz only came to power in December, but within 24 hours he has transformed modern Germany's foreign policy.
During an emergency parliamentary session on Ukraine on Sunday, Chancellor Scholz announced an additional $113bn (£84bn) for the German army.
There was an audible ripple of shock in parliament. Some MPs clapped, some booed, others looked stunned.
Undeterred, Mr Scholz went on to announce drastic measures that would have been unthinkable a week ago, including a constitutional commitment to Nato's military spending target of 2% of GDP - and he confirmed that Germany would be sending weapons direct to Ukraine.
Within a few days Vladimir Putin has managed to do what Nato allies have spent years trying to achieve: a massive increase of military spending in Germany.
This is arguably one of the biggest shifts ever seen in Germany's post-war foreign policy.

[NorvilleRogers]

The F-35A is back in favour for the Germans and Typhoon ECR. instead of the F-18/EA-18 offer.

[Blackcat1]

Read this morning that Putin once said "why do we need a world without Russia?" !!!

Talking about his 2 choices

1. Cut off gas supplies to Europe

2. Explode a nuclear weapon over the North sea between Denmark & Britain & see what happens!!

The man if we can call him that ? Is clearly insane!!

[slogen51]

Just seen the tragic story on the BBC of the death of an 7 year old girl, just one of the victims of this illegal war.

Her blood his on Putin's hands. Putin is a murderer. His decision to invade has lead directly to the death of that little girl, Alisa Hlans .

[Craig]

From the BBC

Germany has just witnessed a truly historic day. Chancellor Olaf Scholz only came to power in December, but within 24 hours he has transformed modern Germany's foreign policy.
During an emergency parliamentary session on Ukraine on Sunday, Chancellor Scholz announced an additional $113bn (£84bn) for the German army.
There was an audible ripple of shock in parliament. Some MPs clapped, some booed, others looked stunned.
Undeterred, Mr Scholz went on to announce drastic measures that would have been unthinkable a week ago, including a constitutional commitment to Nato's military spending target of 2% of GDP - and he confirmed that Germany would be sending weapons direct to Ukraine.
Within a few days Vladimir Putin has managed to do what Nato allies have spent years trying to achieve: a massive increase of military spending in Germany.
This is arguably one of the biggest shifts ever seen in Germany's post-war fore
ign policy.

Is this man acting in the German peoples interest though?

He was on the board of governors for both the European investment bank and the International Monetary Fund. War is a racket, and indebting nation states so badly fiat currency fails and we all have to accept government backed crypto is part of the longer term plan...

He is part of the Davos clique and a member of the (German) Council on Foreign Relations.

The CFR incidentally is funded by the Rockefeller and Ford foundations with further involvement and money in the past from the Carnegie group.

Look them up, a report they created about how to make a war profitable and how to bring one about was advice given to the US government that precedes WW1 even.

Olaf Scholz has gone fairly climate change extreme and shut down Germany’s nuclear and coal power plants, so the Germans needed Russian gas more than ever. His position on climate change is a contradiction if he builds up even without using Germany’s military surely?

[C24]

Alisa is one of many. Always sad to hear such news.


I trust that some sort of comms channel(s) is/are open to pass over intel from the assets in the air to the boots on the ground.

Big thumbs, small maps, dead chaps.



Edited I’m at the top of page 13. That’s ominous.

Is 007, doom and gloom, only jimbo in another guise?

[Col Nago]

Retired Maj. Gen. David H. Petraeus was on Radio 4 at the weekend saying the thought of having to go into a city where the entire population absolutely despise you and are armed and willing to fight made his blood run cold. It's not like Iraq or Afghanistan - in Kyiv and other major cities EVERYONE will be out to get you.

[cat1]

Trump says, of course, that this situation would not have occurred had he still been in charge. How predictable was that!!!??. Therefore, best solution would be to persuade Pres. Biden to sent the Orange Wonder to talk to his friend and stop this madness. When he fails, He could do the world a favour and stay there with his equally odious friend, sip vodka for the rest of their lives and tell each other how good they are!!.

i believe Biden is too weak for this situation and has absolutely failed to stop Russia from doing exactly what they want.

[raptor9]

Ah Cat, but how would you or anyone else have stopped it??. Military action not being an option at all, which would be a total disaster for everyone. Putin and his country will suffer very badly as a result of his stupidity in months and years ahead, becoming the pariah of the world. He has no more cards to play in reality, other than nuclear weapons which even he would /could not use and if what he has attempted to do doesn't work for him, then he will be completely up sh.t creek without any help whatsoever.