The question is is 50MP better......judge for yourself.....

[Black Mike]

The Sony may have won the CoTY award

try getting a Sony 500 mm prime lens for it.....

ph

I'm a Sony shooter who is currently looking to move to Canikon mainly because of the poor selection of longer reach lens options available to the Sony A mount system.

The A7RII is undoubtedly an astounding camera but it is not, and never will be, an action camera, that development may come at some stage, but not now. It is a superb tool with the best sensor so far made in terms of image quality, dynamic range etc. The others WILL catch up. It is the camera functions which let it down. Stupid things like a small battery giving poor life, poor interface and small fiddly body. Don't get me wrong here, if I was after a camera for travel/landscape/scenery/architecture etc then the Sony would be very high on my list, probably at the top.

Remember that the 5DS is not marketed as an action camera either although it can be used with a reasonable degree of success. At least it has a decent sized body with well established interface. I expect if would be popular for wildlife with long lenses allowing a good hard crop but still giving a large useable image.
For now I certainly wouldn't buy either of them, they just don't excel at the subject matter I shoot (or try to!). There are better cameras for action/aviation.

With regard to finding long lenses for the Sony A7RII, you can get loads of long primes for it, in fact any Canon or Nikon prime will fit it as will the Sony 500mm f4. With the latest adaptors, they will all autofocus too. Any lenses without IS or VR will benefit from the Sony 5-axis built in stabilisation system.

Mike

[John flightpath]

Well, this subject has certainly prevoked some reaction. No doubt you lads have spent some considerable proportions of your hard earned money on all this kit. Pig Hunter, you started it with expounding the virtues of the 50mp Canon. Very well argued, Pen Pusher, on behalf of the Sony equipment. Well done Sploosher for putting in a 'leveller' in the discussion with the Minolta lens. Personally speaking, I will momentarily stick with what I have got and look forward to visiting the Lakenheath fence this year and also the Mach Loop.

There is no doubt in my mind, that you all get considerable enjoyment from your photography, and long may it continue.

Happy snapping
John 'flightpath'.

[Pen Pusher]

It's in my camera bag attached to my Sony A7II (24 MP full-frame CMOS sensor/5-axis Image Stabilisation/14-bit uncompressed RAW /Sony LA-EA4 Mount Adapter) Just need to see some flying at Duxford now. Not today though, it's raining.

sploosher - do you use any of the filters? Pointing at the sky I normally use the 4xND.

Brian

[nellis6]

I've recently held an exhibition where we'd had 18" x 12" prints.

I use a D80 10.1mp & D40 6mp.

18x12 is not that big though, a 10.1mp camera is more than adequate for that size. Picking up on previous comments, unless you are going to make really large prints or large crops I see little point in a camera with that amount of MP. If all that you are going to do is look at them on a computer screen you will see little or know difference between a camera with 20mp and one with 50mp.

Good to see that the 'press' have got to grips with the English language... I think you mean "little or NO difference"

Know = 1) be aware of 2) be or feel certain of the truth of (information etc.) 3) be acquainted with 4) have a grasp of or understand (a skill or LANGUAGE)

Thanks for picking up on my typo Bilvo. 1) Learn to be a little more forgiving of someone's small error 2) Try not to be so condescending 3) Try not to be such an arrogant t*** when doing so

[Wallace]

The best camera is the one that you have in your hand, whether it be Sony, Canon or whatever, after all the most important part of a camera is the first foot behind the eyepiece.

Personally I am not sure whether the 5DS is better than an ordinary full frame camera, I know that it is not for me. I have got a high end Canon and I am thinking of downsizing to a 5Dmk 3 (or 4) and perhaps using a Fuji XT1 as well. At the end of the day they are only tools for doing a job.

For what it is worth Martin Bailey done a review on the 5DS.
http://www.martinbaileyphotography.com/ ... dcast-496/

[jdupons]

I too disagree stongly with this statement. Equipment will not replace talent and knowledge. Many professional photographers were just beginners one day, and they learned the trade with average equipment first. Once you master all the basics, you don't need the most expensive gear in the world to have great shots. We can see it every day on this forum and elsewhere. Luck, good weather conditions and opportunities make most of it, and the equipment will not replace those. If you have poor light and restrictive laws you won't get top pictures anyway. The bast photographer use the best equipment because their talent and skill allowed them to get the money to buy it. But buying the best equipment with no experience or talent will probably lead to frustration and anger.

[Pen Pusher]

Exactly what it says on the tin.

Brian

[page_verify]

Many moons ago - probably about 9 years ago now - it was the height of the "new" Canon digital EOS bodies appearing along with L series lenses becoming more common. I used to see Peter March at fly ins and air shows with a Sigma zoom lens and a mid-range Canon digital body, shooting JPGs. When I asked him how he thought his photos looked compared to those the chaps next him with the Canon pro kit, he used to say it's all down to where the sunlight is and knowing how to use it - and you can't buy sunlight so it's pointless spending too much on camera gear! It wouldn't surprise me if that's still true.

[Pen Pusher]

With the kit I had at the time, the images I was getting from the 500mm were somewhat overexposed when pointed at the sky as the mirror lets in a lot of light to the sensor so used the ND filter to cut down on the light getting to it. With Exposure Compensation readily available now I can probably control it that way and not need the filter. I shall experiment and see.

Brian

[Pen Pusher]

f8

kurtmunger.com/sony_500mm_f_8_reflex_lens_review

Brian

[jdupons]

I don't know who Martin Baileys is so I won't be able to visit his site. I judge by experience and by noting that a good aircraft picture is not all the time the result of top notch equipment. Other factors exist. Getting close enough to aircraft being one of the most challenging.The best equiment in the world , if used by a poor photographer, will not save anything.

[richpittman]

For what its worth I rate the 6D highly and the 7dmk2 not so.

Looking at PH photos, these look some of the sharpest images I have seen on my monitor.

One Day I will upgrade and go back to 1 body. I guess I should keep the 6D as a spare

[Taxboy]

I don't think who uses what brand of equipment is necessarily conclusive evidence. A pro uses what suits their needs for the job in hand ...or may even be paid to promote the brand. I think it is more useful to review images you like and note the focal length of the lens and the way the light falls. If we're being honest today's DSLRs are all excellent and I would suggest once images have been processed you would be hard pushed to identify what brand had taken what image. Perhaps the only exception is pixel peepers who will point out some "flaw" which would realistically appear if you printed the image 6 feet wide or so.
The camera is only a tool for capturing images and for the majority of photographers ,myself included they will run out of talent before the equipment is the constraint

[Black Mike]

It's in my camera bag attached to my Sony A7II (24 MP full-frame CMOS sensor/5-axis Image Stabilisation/14-bit uncompressed RAW /Sony LA-EA4 Mount Adapter) Just need to see some flying at Duxford now. Not today though, it's raining.

Brian

Whether or not I am ever going to buy one, I'm still very interested in seeing images from the A7II and 500G Even more so the A7RII...

[jdupons]

To SG1 : now I've visited http://www.martinbaileyphotography.com/, thanks for the address... many wonderful pictures there; but many beautiful locations too. I quite agree with what he says about recommanded gear : " If you’re just getting started, please don’t think that you need all of this to become a great photographer. Gear can certainly open new doors and enable you in various ways, but every gear purchase should be based on the need to overcome a specific obstacle that you find yourself up against often."
Now I would very much like to see the results if he visited some of the usual locations of plane spotters in the UK : Coningsby, Mildenhall, Lakenheath, and the low level spots in Wales.. would the results be better than the excellent pictures we can see here very often, taken at these sites ? I doubt it . We should compare what can be compared. Talent, experience and skill would make 99 % of the difference. But the gear alone ?

[Wallace]

Martin is a podcaster/photographer and he uses his experience with the 5D as source material for his podcasts.

Now I would very much like to see the results if he visited some of the usual locations of plane spotters in the UK : Coningsby, Mildenhall, Lakenheath, and the low level spots in Wales.. would the results be better than the excellent pictures we can see here very often, taken at these sites ? I doubt it . We should compare what can be compared. Talent, experience and skill would make 99 % of the difference. But the gear alone ?

Me too. I would love to see a nature photographer do aircraft photography, just in case there is something that I could learn.

[jdupons]

to SG1 . That's your opinion. Not a point missed or not missed or dismissed. :-) Other people may have a different one .I judge by seeing the results, and the many excellent aircraft pictures posted on this forum, by a variety of people who don't have as rule N°1 the latest or best equipment in the world . Having the best equipment has never been the guarantee to have the best pictures in all conditions, but it often comforts people with poor skills, they think their equipment will do everything for them, but it won't.It's just like people who think that the bigger and longer the genitals, the happier the love life...

[jdupons]

to SG1 : you said " I don't think you've spoke many woman about that, trust me that's when size does matter LOL " .
Well, I read your point . We probably don't go around with the same type of women, then.

[LCM]

Please may I throw a small pebble in a very large pond ? " A technically perfect photograph can be the world's most boring picture. " Andreas Feininger. Just a thought.

[B58Hustler]

What i find sooo amusing is that Mr.Porcine searcher has made the statement that we should 'judge for ourselves' as to how good 50mp is.
If his results are anything to go by then 50mp is no good at all! The images are all soft and the highlights are blown to smithereens on the T-45s due to poor editing.
A classic case of 'all the gear and no idea' if ever i saw one.........I'll get me coat........