Farmers field end of 34

[flyingslug_0]

Its such a shame this has happened. I guess at the end of the day the farmer has the right as to who goes on his land. I'm sure no one on Wednesday or Tuesday did anything wrong. I'm sure everyone acted responsably and courtisouly. It looks to me that the pure volume of people turning up and using his field was the straw that broke the camels back and he is just cheesed off with it.

With the exercise lasting till next week, I'm sure there will still be people trying to use the field. I feel that this is not the last we will hear of it.

If you are still planning to go to Leeming all I can say is please use the official viewing area. Chris is right, if the farmer has a change of heart I'm sure Chris would post the fact.

[captain scarlet]

I have not seen Peter the farmer this week but I would suggest we respect his wishes and keep out till things either alter or he has a change of heart

Chris,

please pass on my apologies for any hassle we/i may have caused him as i was one of the people there on wednesday.

ps - As for going and asking permission, according to michael1970 he's 'sick of people knocking on his door' so how can we ask (if that's the case).

[mtpg09]

hi guys, just to confirm what Michael has posted, as of today nobody is allowed on to the farmers land, after having a quick chat with peter he has had enough of "all the hassle" from the idiots who damage his land the clowns who have woke him up knocking on his door early and especially from his neighbours, he said that it wasnt him who phoned the police today but from now on he will have no choice but to ring them himself.
regards

Mike.

[flyingslug_0]

Thanks Mike. I guess thats final

[spearhead]

Well i did try to avoid this many time's but it was only a matter of time . me & chris & a few others have a good relationship with peter. just to answer one of the questions, on monday some had posted on f/c & other forums thay had asked peter, if you went to market then maby you did but if you went to the farm NO WAY as he wasn't in all day. after talking to peter on tuesday its because some, just because we are standing there think thay have the right to come in this is not the case. if you stand in your garden dose that give me the right to walk in NO it work's both ways. im with peter next week & i will post what the situation is asap.

[Richard B]

A good days spotting or snapping, you cannot beat it for a full days grace at an airbase, close to the action.
Now I would say its well worth a fiver, to the farmer to get a front row seat in his field.

When you see people paying £20- £30 a head to take a few pics in the dark of static aircraft for an hour.
here you get a full day of good fast jet action.
about time the game was played and people started to pay a little for the best seats and action.

I guess takeing pictures on private lands entitles you to sell said images for a profit.?

[michael1970]

Richard I started a collection for the farmer this morning but once the old bill came and he said no more in his field it seemed like a wasted gesture to be honest as he was so annoyed about what had gone on.

[Truly55]

I have not seen Peter the farmer this week but I would suggest we respect his wishes and keep out till things either alter or he has a change of heart
Chris

Quite and correct. It's a real pity about the situation but we all have to accept it. I, for one, would happily park down the road away from the cottages and gladly pay Peter and Howard for the best seats in the show. £5-£10+ for access, to me, doesn't seem unreasonable if the farmers ever got around to talking to us enthusiasts again.

[LANCER]

Hi all, I was planning a trip to Leeming next week with the occurrence this week with the field would it be necessary now to bring a ladder for the viewing park?

[Chris Procter]

the viewing area needs a 3 step ladder to see over the top comfortably

[flyingslug_0]

If the wind changes and 16 end is in use, please remember to park on the grass and not on the concrete. When I was there the lorry's were in and out all day.

[Razor01]

I was trying to refrain from responding but have little willpower.

It is a shame that the minority have spoiled it for the majority - more so that it will label is all disrespectfully. Personally I have always stuck with the publicly accessible areas simply for the reasons we are experiencing now as a result of the field abuse. I Suggest all do as Chris P suggests and respect the wishes of the Farmer. I think we also have a duty to police the area ourselves and if we see individuals overstepping the mark (no pun intended) we should highlight. Trust me, I expect this will also go to RAF Leeming and they do not want to attract any bad publicity- negatives such as this can and will only pay damage to our interest. Lets pay a little common courtesy, respect and common sense. Be thankful we have a viewing area, and also consider why we have a viewing area, as that could also be easily taken way.

cheers!

[michael1970]

Razor you have hit the nail on the head. Leeming is a community a community that has regular meetings between the residents, businesses, farmers and the RAF all to keep each other sweet. RAF leeming needs support from those around it.
Can you imagine what's going to be on the agenda at the next one.
I'd guess it will start with darn Plane Spotters.
What amuses me is those using an excuse of " I can park where I want there's no yellow lines" this shows their ignorance.
Example if there was a party in the street next to theirs and 20 cars appeared in their street so that they coulndt get parked outside their own home or business would they be happy. No none of us would but it's ok when your trying to look at aircraft.

We can talk all day about this but sadly it won't change sadly those in the minority who used the field for the first half of the week (won't mention any days for the touchy ones) have spoilt it for everyone.

So if you left rubbish, didn't ask or asked very early, walked through the crops, or parked causing a problem outside the B&B your to blame if you have contributed to any one of the above our thanks go out to you for spoiling what little aviation viewing we get at Leeming.

[POL]

What amuses me is those using an excuse of " I can park where I want there's no yellow lines" this shows their ignorance.
Example if there was a party in the street next to theirs and 20 cars appeared in their street so that they coulndt get parked outside their own home or business would they be happy.

No it doesn't, it shows that people understand where they may or may not park. You are allowed to park anywhere where there are no parking restrictions (double-yellow lines, urban clearway, motorway, etc.) if someone is unhappy with the fact that - all of a sudden - people are parking there, then that is their problem, not everyone else's.

If 20 cars appeared on the road outside my house, no I wouldn't be happy, but could I do anything about it? No! Would I phone the police to get them moved? NO! No-one has broken any laws, why are the police involved?!

As for the police moving people on without a court order to do so, well...

[IanH]

Reading between the lines here it sounds like a big part of the problem here are complaints by the B&B. The farmer has been a very tolerant chap but complaints by his neighbour allied to some of the other points made may have just tipped things over the edge. These things are recoverable over time (I hope) and suggest best left to those who are local to Leeming. Maybe the idea of photogs contributing in some way could be presented to the farmer when things have calmed down. As someone said somewhere, a contribution might go down well. We don`t think anything of giving £20-40 for an airshow entrance....and I know what I`d prefer! Fingers crossed something can be sorted and more so for those who are regular. I`m not a local but I`ve enjoyed the times I`ve visited for the reason that the viewing area location is simply to distant unless you have large lenses. Regards.

[markranger]

You wait till little quiet Marham gets the F35.
Then it will happen there also as everyone will turn up at a base wihh 5 parking spot.

[nigelblake]

I arrived there yesterday morning (Thursday) just after the CSO arrived, she and the farmer were in conversation, his main complaint was that people were walking on the crops! However there were 2 guys walking out to the airfield edge who were both on the grassy strip at the edge of the field.
What utterly beggared belief was that when he and the CSO walked over to the assembled spotters was; that while the CSO walked up the field edge, the farmer walked ON THE CROP about 5 or 6 feet in!!! And then he walked on the crop (and no not in the wheel marks left by tractors) all the way back to the road after the discussion with the group of spotters!
He also complained about litter, well yesterday it was very windy and there was rubbish not only blowing down from further up the road (lorry park direction) but also from an un-netted skip in the farm itself!!
So after 400+ mile round trip I never got to the 34 end, I spent a few hours in the spotter’s area and on the road by the A1 Bridge, before I packed up and went elsewhere… Whilst in the Spotter’s area I heard 2 different people tell of having “F*** off T***’s” shouted at them when they had parked down the 34 end…..
My opinion is that the farmer actually takes some sort of pleasure from being darn-minded and awkward, when it would be so much easier for him and better all round if he adopted a system like that run in “John’s Field” at Mildenhall.
So to those people who are posting comments about the minority making it bad for others please note there are other factors on this problem, the biggest one being the land owner himself.

[Malcolm]

What amuses me is those using an excuse of " I can park where I want there's no yellow lines" this shows their ignorance.
Example if there was a party in the street next to theirs and 20 cars appeared in their street so that they coulndt get parked outside their own home or business would they be happy.

No it doesn't, it shows that people understand where they may or may not park. You are allowed to park anywhere where there are no parking restrictions (double-yellow lines, urban clearway, motorway, etc.) if someone is unhappy with the fact that - all of a sudden - people are parking there, then that is their problem, not everyone else's.

If 20 cars appeared on the road outside my house, no I wouldn't be happy, but could I do anything about it? No! Would I phone the police to get them moved? NO! No-one has broken any laws, why are the police involved?!

As for the police moving people on without a court order to do so, well...

For once it seems that you and I agree on something. Couldn't have put it better myself. Residents may not like you parking there, but providing you are legally parked and not causing an obstruction you have as much right to park there as they do. The word NIMBY comes to mind here. If the residents want something done about it they can pay for a residents parking scheme to be set up. I'm sure the local council will be pleased to accept their £500+ a year contribution to local finances.

[captain scarlet]

What amuses me is those using an excuse of " I can park where I want there's no yellow lines" this shows their ignorance.
Example if there was a party in the street next to theirs and 20 cars appeared in their street so that they coulndt get parked outside their own home or business would they be happy.

No it doesn't, it shows that people understand where they may or may not park. You are allowed to park anywhere where there are no parking restrictions (double-yellow lines, urban clearway, motorway, etc.) if someone is unhappy with the fact that - all of a sudden - people are parking there, then that is their problem, not everyone else's.

If 20 cars appeared on the road outside my house, no I wouldn't be happy, but could I do anything about it? No! Would I phone the police to get them moved? NO! No-one has broken any laws, why are the police involved?!

As for the police moving people on without a court order to do so, well...

For once it seems that you and I agree on something. Couldn't have put it better myself. Residents may not like you parking there, but providing you are legally parked and not causing an obstruction you have as much right to park there as they do. The word NIMBY comes to mind here. If the residents want something done about it they can pay for a residents parking scheme to be set up. I'm sure the local council will be pleased to accept their £500+ a year contribution to local finances.

Hear, hear!

Nobody was breaking any no parking rules or (to my knowledge) were obstructing any drive ways. The road is also quite wide there so if we were causing an obstruction i suggest they re-take their driving exam as (being an ex london bus driver) you could've got a double decker through the width that was still available!

I also take umbrage to being called *****/****** by a 'fellow' spotter/photographer when i've done nothing different to (and i quote) what they've done for 15 years it seems!

[flat cap]

My opinion is that the farmer actually takes some sort of pleasure from being darn-minded and awkward, when it would be so much easier for him and better all round if he adopted a system like that run in “John’s Field” at Mildenhall.
So to those people who are posting comments about the minority making it bad for others please note there are other factors on this problem, the biggest one being the land owner himself.

It's his land, he can do what he likes.