RED STAR GB Rules and Chat Thread

[SteveS]

I may join this, if it's not too late. Got a cracker lines up, it's a 1950s British cold war jet that 'flew with a Soviet red star'!

Steve

[ArabJazzie]

Steve,
Not 100% sure whats in the box but i hope the P-40 and Hurri are new, but i think the Spits the old Vb. Unless they are slipping something in under the radar!!!
Arabest,
Geoff.

[FTS]

I've selected a few kits out of the stash for the GB and hopefully i'll be able to get all of them done. All 1/72, Hobbyboss P-40, P-39 and Su-47, and ICM I-15bis and 2 variants of the I-16.

[peejay75]

do aggresor squadrons count?.

[tc2324]

I may join this, if it's not too late. Got a cracker lines up, it's a 1950s British cold war jet that 'flew with a Soviet red star'!

Steve

Happy to have you on board Steve, just as long as your idea is not a whif as such, and you can verify your chosen subject did indeed fly with a genuine Soviet Red Star. (Have to say I`ve been playing with the idea of `captured` types myself)

do aggresor squadrons count?.

Sorry PJ, thats a negative. Only aircraft types with a Red Star that fly from the motherland comrade.

[tc2324]

Participation list updated...,

tc2324 (Commissar)
steve149c
Flyingmonster
Typhoon2
Waghorn41
Jamie5335
FTS (Hero of the FC Union)
ArabJazzie
Mosquito (Hero of the FC Union)
Typhoon2
Sponge
peejay75
Seven
andyxh558
Thommo95
atech
SteveS

[steve149c]

I was hoping to slide in a Top Gun Northrop Mig F-5 tiger shark too! Please?

[tc2324]

I was hoping to slide in a Top Gun Northrop Mig F-5 tiger shark too! Please?

Sorry Steve, I refer you to rule 2 in the first post. (Admittedly I`ve updated the ruling to avoid further confusion, but this GB is for aircraft operated within the Soviet/Russian air force only and not capitalist copies...)

OK, I'm in - I've just bought the Eduard 2 x MiG21SMT in 1/144th, so I'll be bulding 2 tiny lovely shiny silver MiGs for this

Steve

Great news, name added to the list.




Participation list updated...,

tc2324 (Commissar)
steve149c
Flyingmonster
Typhoon2
Waghorn41
Jamie5335
FTS (Hero of the FC Union)
ArabJazzie
Mosquito (Hero of the FC Union)
Typhoon2
Sponge
peejay75
Seven
andyxh558
Thommo95
atech
SteveS
gatwicksteve

[steve149c]

I was hoping to slide in a Top Gun Northrop Mig F-5 tiger shark too! Please?

Sorry Steve, I refer you to rule 2 in the first post. (Admittedly I`ve updated the ruling to avoid further confusion, but this GB is for aircraft operated within the Soviet/Russian air force only and not capitalist copies...)

I wouldn't call Hollywood a capitalist copy - hmmm, but then again!

No worries TC, jobs a good one on my end - off to find a suitable model as an excuse!

[SteveS]

Sorry PJ, thats a negative. Only aircraft types with a Red Star that fly from the motherland comrade.

Ahhh, come on TC, don't move the goalposts! I can confirm that my aircraft did indeed 'fly with a red Soviet star' - which was the original wording in the rules! It didn't fly within the Soviet armed forces however and was not a captured airframe.

Steve

[SteveS]

Ooh ooh, also it's called the "Red Star" group build and not the "Soviet/Russian AF" group build. Go on TC, it did exist and is not a whif honest!

[FTS]

Told you so TC!!!!! You said your name was better!

[tc2324]

Ok chaps, read the posts earlier and had a good long think about the comments made. Here`s my final conclusion.

I feel that I should stand by my initial idea that this GB should only include aircraft operated by the Soviet/Russian air force. The problem I have with including any aircraft that bore a red star is that it opens it up to far too many American types ranging from the Korean war through to today`s adversary types.

Someone could enter an F-86 Sabre in full USAF silver scheme and then say that because it has a kill marking on it, it`s eligable for entry. Same goes for an F-4 from the USAF, USMC or USN from the Vietnam war. For me, and I hope I`m not alone, this is not what this GB is about and I feel we need to define and be clear as to what and what is not within the scope of this GB.

So...., while that may not be the answer some members want to hear, can I remind you that the Soviet Air Force in particular, operated lots of western types which includes British and US lend lease as well as captured Luftwaffe aircraft. I`ve heard stories of more modern western types `captured` and evaluated by the Russians, (F-5 Tiger springs to mind), but as yet I have not seen any photographic proof. (Of course if you can supply that proof, you can enter it).

A quick google and 10 minutes of research will give you lots of ideas.

[FTS]

Ok chaps, read the posts earlier and had a good long think about the comments made. Here`s my final conclusion.

I feel that I should stand by my initial idea that this GB should only include aircraft operated by the Soviet/Russian air force. The problem I have with including any aircraft that bore a red star is that it opens it up to far too many American types ranging from the Korean war through to today`s adversary types.

Someone could enter an F-86 Sabre in full USAF silver scheme and then say that because it has a kill marking on it, it`s eligable for entry. Same goes for an F-4 from the USAF, USMC or USN from the Vietnam war. For me, and I hope I`m not alone, this is not what this GB is about and I feel we need to define and be clear as to what and what is not within the scope of this GB.

So...., while that may not be the answer some members want to hear, can I remind you that the Soviet Air Force in particular, operated lots of western types which includes British and US lend lease as well as captured Luftwaffe aircraft. I`ve heard stories of more modern western types `captured` and evaluated by the Russians, (F-5 Tiger springs to mind), but as yet I have not seen any photographic proof. (Of course if you can supply that proof, you can enter it).

A quick google and 10 minutes of research will give you lots of ideas.

As the original suggester for this GB I comfirm that the idea was for a GB for types operated by the USSR and the modern day Russian air force. Those who wish to comfront the Peoples Commisar TC2324 will find that the working holiday to Siberia has sudenly become available!

[tc2324]

Boo, come on guys its only a bit of fun!

Couldn`t agree more sponge, it is meant to be fun.

However, the purpose of a GB is to have a theme and to have rules that stick to that theme. I had assumed everyone would have realised that this GB was for aircraft from the motherland only as per the disscussion in the thread. It seems that there is a lot of thinking `outside the box` from members, which is great, but not what this particular GB is about.

I`m sure we can arrange an Aggressor GB in the very near future if the demand is there.

[SteveS]

Oh bum. As it's academic now, this was my idea -





It was a BDRT airframe painted like this in 1982, for around 12 months.

Steve

[FTS]

Steve there's nothing to stop you building it in the normal WIP section. It just wont be eligable for the GB and as such wouldn't be counted in the final vote but I personally would love to see it built .

[tc2324]

Steve, that`s a great scheme and a great idea.

How about you leave it for a couple of months and enter it into the next GB.

I quite like the idea of an adversary GB if the support is there and we can always include decoys into it as well. Is there an interest from you lot in that?
If so, I`ll sort out dates, a suitable prize and add a chat thread.

[peejay75]

sounds great!!
i would be up for that

[FTS]

I've got plenty of aggresors so i'd be in as usual.