2024 Typhoon Display Jet

[Thunder]

I bet it will not be seen in German airshows. The WW2 Typhoons caused havoc in Normandy it destroyed the German army when use they cab rank tactics .Fac called waves of Typhoons to attack the German army as they retreated at Falaise .
That's why the GAF call there aircraft EF2000

Didn’t the ME262 at Fairford last year get great applause, or did the locals throw burning spears at it

[Nighthawke]

I think the world has moved on in 80 years. Time to catch up and join the 21st century.

[Agent K]

I bet it will not be seen in German airshows. The WW2 Typhoons caused havoc in Normandy it destroyed the German army when use they cab rank tactics .Fac called waves of Typhoons to attack the German army as they retreated at Falaise .
That's why the GAF call there aircraft EF2000

I was of the understanding that the name EF2000 was as much political as anything else and part of securing funding for the aircraft, where the previous designation was "re-spec'd"/revised/refinanced/renamed and sold to the politicians as a "new" 21st century type.

Whilst I suspect most enthusiasts here are fully aware of the WW2 Typhoons role you state anyway, albeit it's operations spread farther afield and for longer than the Normandy campaign, time has moved on in 80 years and I doubt very much most of the German post war generation would even know what a WW2 Typhoon was.

That said, the Typhoon display schedule released some time ago prior to this roll out only shows overseas displays in Canada, Sweden and Czech Republic.

[Finty]

The new scheme looks pretty good to me. The second one to show an RAF combat scheme from WW2, so someone in the RAF has a sense of heritage.
Someone on PPRUNe suggested that the radome is actually made in that colour, so painting is not possible as it would mess up the radar system.

At one time, all RAF combat jets were grey/green like this, although on we who are over 50 would remember this! Much more interesting than overall bland grey.

With all things everyone will have an opinion, which might be different to yours.

I recall reading that back in the day one of the special liveries for a Tornado F3 involved painting the radome black, which had to be corrected due to that reason

[cat1]

Must be something wrong with me, as I don’t like it🫤. It just doesn’t look right, the Invasion stripes don’t suit the shape of the current Typhoon, with the fuselage ones looking just plain daft

I, for one, love the design.

However, your opinion seems to be quite wide spread, especially about the stripes....

Edit: looking back on the photos now, the ones on the wings look fine, its the fuselage as thunder stated, especially in this shot:

https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D4E10 ... NMeHJUL8kk

[Harkins]

Edit: looking back on the photos now, the ones on the wings look fine, its the fuselage as thunder stated, especially in this shot:

https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D4E10 ... NMeHJUL8kk

I agree. I do like it, and hats off to all involved for the effort. But I do wonder if they'd pushed the fuselage stripes back a bit, as per ZK308 in 2014, it would have felt better and perhaps have had the balance that the original Typhoons to wear the stripes did?



One thing I haven't been able to see in a photo yet is if the wing stripes are on the underside too. I have seen a couple of images where you can make out that the fuselage stripes are on the underside, so I'm guessing they are.

[Supra]

Potential Thread Drift Alert....
Italy and Spain don't use the name Typhoon. Despite the fact the Italian aircraft wear that name on their fins, the official designation is still EF2000 as in Germany and Spain. Spanish military uses alphanumeric designations as well. Single seats are designated C.16 and twin seats as CE.16. CBA to check the other operating Nations for their adoption of the Typhoon name, but beyond the Luftwaffe I don't recall obvious aversion to it?

There are 2 sides to every story/ Urban Legend & I offer two further proferred alternatives to the WWII Hawker Typhoon name avoidance....
1) They had already had the underwhelming Messerschmitt Bf 108 Taifun (Typhoon) based on a 1934 Air-Racer, therefore the jet arguably should be "Typhoon II" (just like the RAF example?)

2) The Germans invented a WWII anti-aircraft surface to air rocket system whereby waves of 'Taifun' projectiles would penetrate & decimate large formations of inbound high altitude USAAF Bomber formations. Fortunately the system came too late to be effectively deployed! However the advanced (at the time) technology did form the core of future American & Soviet missile system development.

Both Germany & UK. have much bigger reasons to be angry, ashamed or whatever than the reasons tendered imo. Personally I see no credence in any of the reasons for the Luftwaffe not officially adopting Typhoon beyond Political diktat?

[Agent K]

....... Personally I see no credence in any of the reasons for the Luftwaffe not officially adopting Typhoon beyond Political diktat?

Pretty much as I suggested earlier in this thread, Kohls ruling party in Germany promised to withdraw from the then Eurofighter project. Due to contractual lock-ins the cost was prohibitive but wanted to sell it as a "new" and cheaper type, to have met his promise to the parliament, for the 2000's onwards, hence the new name EF2000.

[Supra]

Spot-on Agent K. The original Eurofighter title was to give a nod to '90' but development overran 8 years or so late, making it closer to 2000 & then they called it Eurofighter 2000 as you say.

Germany sought to bail out in 91 (as you stated) & 1995-96 in a spat over reduced Partner orders & Workload percentages. Refusing to adopt the otherwise universally adopted name certainly
portrays an element of 'pram & toys' from a angry but trapped partner & nothing to do with historic undertones!

[Canberra TT.18]

Potential Thread Drift Alert....
Italy and Spain don't use the name Typhoon. Despite the fact the Italian aircraft wear that name on their fins, the official designation is still EF2000 as in Germany and Spain. Spanish military uses alphanumeric designations as well. Single seats are designated C.16 and twin seats as CE.16. CBA to check the other operating Nations for their adoption of the Typhoon name, but beyond the Luftwaffe I don't recall obvious aversion to it?

https://ejercitodelaire.defensa.gob.es/ ... ctualidad/
Spanish Air Force site call it Eurofighter Typhoon (C.16).

https://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/en-home/aircrafts/
Italian Air Force site says: The Eurofighter Typhoon (aeronautical nomenclature F-2000A).

But we drift and drift as if caught in a typhoon...

Pieter

[Vulcanone]

F-2000 and TF-2000 in AMI service As per here also

https://theaviationist.com/2024/03/26/i ... -exercise/

[Sw]

I bet it will not be seen in German airshows. The WW2 Typhoons caused havoc in Normandy it destroyed the German army when use they cab rank tactics .Fac called waves of Typhoons to attack the German army as they retreated at Falaise .
That's why the GAF call there aircraft EF2000

Didn’t the ME262 at Fairford last year get great applause, or did the locals throw burning spears at it

True nice replica aircraft with American engines 0 .At the time.it was a political decision. At the time Messerschmit was a part of the group as MBB which later became Panavia .The UK tabloid papers ran front pages head lines Messerschmit's for the RAF

[Sw]

The new scheme looks pretty good to me. The second one to show an RAF combat scheme from WW2, so someone in the RAF has a sense of heritage.
Someone on PPRUNe suggested that the radome is actually made in that colour, so painting is not possible as it would mess up the radar system.

At one time, all RAF combat jets were grey/green like this, although on we who are over 50 would remember this! Much more interesting than overall bland grey.

With all things everyone will have an opinion, which might be different to yours.

Yes the problem with today military aircraft is there are all various shades of grey.Nice to see a bit of colour if only to for special events.The RAF also had aircraft in 2 shades of brown like the Beverley had first.

[Vulcanone]

Those of a certain age can probably remember brown and tan camo Hercules and a few remaining Andovers. The Beverley had been retired and most had been scrapped before I was born. A few sand/tan Argosies survived into the mid 1970s IIRC....


I can remember a 115 Sqn Argosy going low level inbound Binbrook mid 70s.. Scared the @@@@ out of the other kids ;-)

[C24]

Just imagine if all the previous display Typhoons had been retained in their original scheme. 29 Sqdn would be a wonderful sight.

[turmo]

"The Eurofighter consortium has chosen Typhoon as the name for the export version of the EF2000."

Flight International, 09 Sep 1998.

Hence why the ICAO code is EUFI, not TYPH; based on the home-market name.

The oddity is not that the Luftwaffe didn't adopt the name, but that the RAF did.

[shuck]

F-2000 and TF-2000 in AMI service As per here also

https://theaviationist.com/2024/03/26/i ... -exercise/

Actually is F-2000A and F-2000B. HTH

[Vulcanone]

F-2000 and TF-2000 in AMI service As per here also

https://theaviationist.com/2024/03/26/i ... -exercise/

Actually is F-2000A and F-2000B. HTH

So tell that to the ex Italian AF person that wrote the linked article and quoted the Italian AF !

[Steven]

Article actually says

F-2000As (as the single seater Typhoons are designated in Italy in accordance with the MOD’s Mission Design Series – the two-seaters are designated TF-2000A)

So neither of you are completely correct

[Vulcanone]

Indeed but I did at least go to the trouble to find an article ;-)