Upgrade to mirrorless or full frame?

[eagle driver]

Just plumbed for the 90D more in line with my needs and knowledge .
But paid an excellent price so will not complain if it need s adapting

[slogen51]

Nice camera

Canon make good cameras, not as good as Nikon but good enough for aviation photography

I read an article on line that suggested Sony make the best mirrorless / Electronic Shutter cameras because they don't need the mechanical expertise built up by Nikon and Canon to construct the precision mechanical shutter and Sony have long experience and expertise in micro electronics and consumer electronics.

The Sony mirrorless Electronic Shutter is a so-called global read - the entire sensor is sampled at the same moment in time whereas Canon use a 'Rolling' electronic shutter that reads across the sensor and potentially exposure can change in the admittedly very short instance of time - this is demonstrated on line by photographing a fan ( or props) where the fan blades move during the shutter processing ( virtual opening and closing)

[Black Mike]

Nice camera

Canon make good cameras, not as good as Nikon but good enough for aviation photography

I read an article on line that suggested Sony make the best mirrorless / Electronic Shutter cameras because they don't need the mechanical expertise built up by Nikon and Canon to construct the precision mechanical shutter and Sony have long experience and expertise in micro electronics and consumer electronics.

The Sony mirrorless Electronic Shutter is a so-called global read - the entire sensor is sampled at the same moment in time whereas Canon use a 'Rolling' electronic shutter that reads across the sensor and potentially exposure can change in the admittedly very short instance of time - this is demonstrated on line by photographing a fan ( or props) where the fan blades move during the shutter processing ( virtual opening and closing)

So far only the brand new and very expensive A9iii has the global shutter. The A1 and A9ii have a very fast reading sensor so effectively eliminate rolling shutter issues with props etc so can be shot on electronic shutter permanently. The A7 and A7R series all suffer from rolling shutter to some extent. I have to use my A7RV with mechanical shutter if there is any movement from panning (the aircraft is ok but any vertical features in the background like lighting towers, lamp posts etc have a very distinctive lean), props or rotors (both the latter have lovely banana shapes ). I found the A9ii to be fine in electronic shutter with everything.

I believe the Nikon Z8 and Z9 are fully electronic (no mechanical shutter at all) but do not suffer from rolling shutter issues. The other Nikon mirrorless cameras suffer from rolling shutter issues to some degree. I don't know how the Canon models fare as I've never used Canon.

Mike

[EGDR]

Canon have very similar rolling shutter performance to Sony with the same limitations as you descend in price.

The A9III's global shutter comes with some significant performance downsides - lower dynamic range, higher base ISO and worse ISO performance than the A9II. If you need the global shutter, those downsides might be worth the cost, but if you can get by without then you're better off without, for now. This is likely the main reason Canon are not, reportedly, intending to include a global shutter on the EOS R1. Canon do know how to make them, as they are available on some industrial and cinema products.

[bvdbogaert]

Very hard to give an advice on what you need? Because that all depends on what you want and how much you are willing to spend.

I used to have a 7d mkii along with a 5d mkii which provided great overlap anywhere from 24 to 400 (x1.6)mm. Bought an R6 3 years ago an loved it from the start. The speed, the image quality, the intuitive operation. It made my 'old' camera's feel like typewriters really.
I am/was so happy with my R6 that I bought another one about one and half a year ago because I just hated to use my 7d mkii as 'gapfiller'. Mind you that 7dii still is a very decent camera, but all is relative imho.

A 5D mk iV is more expensive than a R6 mk i at the moment. Okay it boast more MP (do you need that?) but for the rest it is absolutely a no brainer imho to opt for the R6.

I wrote it before on this forum: There is no development on the DSLR anymore, mirrorless is the future and I think the camera's are already way better than a DSLR. If you invest in a DSLR body it might also force you to invest in an 'old type' lens in the coming years as while. I don't think that is the way to go.
- EVF lag; never experienced that my mirroless could not keep track with the subject.
- Far greater percentage of (almost all) sharp images as on my DSLR.
- Low light (ISO) performance is superb.
- Camera and lenses are small and light.
- No need to calibrate lens and camera anymore as the measuring is done directly on the sensor.
- Development in lenses is still ongoing on mirrorless, unlike for DSLR. For instance the new RF200-800 (haven't tried it yet but hear it is quit good). I use a an RF800 for over 2 years now. It is cheap, weighs almost nothing and it's also fast and sharp.

The only reason to opt for DSLR would be procuring one on the 2nd hand market so that you have a decent camera at a nice price level.

[stickshaker]

I recently upgraded from an 80D to an R7. I've also got the RF 100-400 and overall I am really impressed. I'm by no means a pro but for wildlife it is great - eye tracking is a revelation. The reduction in the size of everything is also useful.

I haven't done much 'action' stuff so not had problems with rolling shutter but I can replicate it by panning and getting a skewed background. I think if I didn't already have it, I might wait to see whether they will bring out a global shutter soon - but I am definitely impressed with the R7 as it is.

[NickC]

I haven't done much 'action' stuff so not had problems with rolling shutter but I can replicate it by panning and getting a skewed background. I think if I didn't already have it, I might wait to see whether they will bring out a global shutter soon - but I am definitely impressed with the R7 as it is.

To get rid of the electronic shutter rolling shutter issue on Canon R series cameras, change the "Shutter mode" setting from the default of "Elec. 1st-curtain" to "Mechanical". Then you will be shooting with a fully mechanical shutter just like on a DSLR.

[GVLCN]

I changed to canon to Nikon, the 90d in my eyes even when paired with the 100-400mm mkii is a terrible camera!

Mirror less technology is there but 4k for what I’d call useful, far too expensive hence my change to Nikon & not be broke.

[XWP29]

I wondered how the results from photo of the month looked by camera type:

March 24 EOS 1DX
Feb EOS77 D
JAN EOS 5D MKIV
Dec ? Nikon?
Nov EOS R7
Oct ?
Sept Nikon D300
Aug Nikon D300
July Nikon D7000
June EOS 5D MKIV
May Nikon D7100
April 23 Nikon D300

Crop and full frame DSLR’s mostly.

[SW Sky Blue]

Here's my opinion for what its worth....

Mirrorless all day long. I have both, full frame and cropped sensor Canon DSLRs but the mirrorless is next level...Best I can describe it was when you were watching HD TV thinking it was good but then you watched an ultra HD tv and realised it wasn't

I have Canon R5 and R6 , and no doubt there will be a 5Mk2 soon as there's already an R6mk2, but the images these cameras produce are next level even now......Yes, they take a bit of getting used to. Especially when shooting fast moving jets due to the viewfinder slight flicker, and it looking like a video, but by simply allowing more space around the subject you can lessen the chance of chopping noses or tails off. As for the rolling shutter issues, well that phenomena should disappear soon with the development of faster writing sensors. I suffered from it at first when I didn't understand it. But by turning the fully electronic shutter off and selecting electronic 1st curtain I now don't experience the problem. The electronic shutter can still be used if you are shooting up in to blue sky if your really want 30 frames per second..Also it can be used on backgrounds such as hills etc where there aren't any vertical edges such as buildings and posts and poles. I also shoot wildlife where I need extra reach and a higher ISO at times. This is where mirrorless really produces. Canon make an RF 600 and 800mm fixed lens, which are lightweight, so easy to carry around and when I brought mine, it was ridiculously cheap at just under £700. I've splashed out since and brought the RF100-500 and the RF200-800 now, as i'm so impressed with the images I'm getting and convinced it's the way forward....well until the next new thing comes along......If you already own expensive Canon L series lenses then no problems as you can use then on the mirrorless bodies using the adapter, which works perfectly too.

So, in summary, I'm fully mirrorless now and really pleased with the images. DSLRs are still relevant and produce fantastic images, but I can honestly say, the mirrorless is next level. If you look at my Flickr stream you can see the exif data and see for yourself , bearing in mind the images on there are only low res.

Hope the helps.

Best wishes,

Kev W.