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Cobra Warrior 23-2

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by Vulcanone » Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:37 pm

You would not have got the WAVE if it were not for the fate that (almost) befell my father, and the RAF project officers that subsequently agreed to do with the old WW2 dispersal over the road from the A15 where the WAVE is now. That was after various companies like BAE, Boeing and Northrop Grumman and so on offered help. Still we could go back to the 1970s when they had Vulcans based there (How many of the whingers know what it was like back then huh....)?

Perhaps the toothless Bar stewards that fail to open what they bought into might want to remember that, I personally couldn't give a F&&& if anything drops on it, as per why they cleared folks off the gravel mound back in the day.

As a technical local some years back while they had the airshow I'm not the least bit surprised as for why the local farmers have blocked off fields with hay bails and get p&&&y with the dilberts amongst some.

I won't say anymore on the subject as the locals that started this forum are like me and utterly F%%%%%%%%%% Off with some

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by Euangray12 » Sat Aug 19, 2023 9:48 pm

GVLCN wrote:
Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:56 pm
Yes to Norwegians no idea of how many involved?
10 F35 frames was the last i heard

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by C24 » Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:32 am

Euangray12 wrote:
Sat Aug 19, 2023 9:48 pm
GVLCN wrote:
Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:56 pm
Yes to Norwegians no idea of how many involved?
10 F35 frames was the last i heard
…and how many engines? 😉

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by reaper493 » Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:58 am

Have only heard of one Tanker dragging the F35s - can one tanker support Ten Jets from Norway?

Do they even need refuelling for that distance?


First support flight to Waddington is due back end of this week I believe.

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by SniperElite » Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:14 am

reaper493 wrote:
Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:58 am
Have only heard of one Tanker dragging the F35s - can one tanker support Ten Jets from Norway?

Do they even need refuelling for that distance?


First support flight to Waddington is due back end of this week I believe.

In the past when Noggie F35s gone to Lakenheath they’ve come on their own without tanker support so I wouldn’t imagine they will need one. But number I heard Is six at most.

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by reaper493 » Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:19 am

Could be that the tanker is being used as a crew transport in that case then.

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by roughcutter » Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:19 pm

Vulcanone wrote:
Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:37 pm
You would not have got the WAVE if it were not for the fate that (almost) befell my father, and the RAF project officers that subsequently agreed to do with the old WW2 dispersal over the road from the A15 where the WAVE is now. That was after various companies like BAE, Boeing and Northrop Grumman and so on offered help. Still we could go back to the 1970s when they had Vulcans based there (How many of the whingers know what it was like back then huh....)?

Perhaps the toothless Bar stewards that fail to open what they bought into might want to remember that, I personally couldn't give a F&&& if anything drops on it, as per why they cleared folks off the gravel mound back in the day.

As a technical local some years back while they had the airshow I'm not the least bit surprised as for why the local farmers have blocked off fields with hay bails and get p&&&y with the dilberts amongst some.

I won't say anymore on the subject as the locals that started this forum are like me and utterly F%%%%%%%%%% Off with some
Well said :cool:
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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by Seahornet1 » Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:52 am

Vulcanone wrote:
Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:37 pm
You would not have got the WAVE if it were not for the fate that (almost) befell my father, and the RAF project officers that subsequently agreed to do with the old WW2 dispersal over the road from the A15 where the WAVE is now. That was after various companies like BAE, Boeing and Northrop Grumman and so on offered help. Still we could go back to the 1970s when they had Vulcans based there (How many of the whingers know what it was like back then huh....)?

Perhaps the toothless Bar stewards that fail to open what they bought into might want to remember that, I personally couldn't give a F&&& if anything drops on it, as per why they cleared folks off the gravel mound back in the day.

As a technical local some years back while they had the airshow I'm not the least bit surprised as for why the local farmers have blocked off fields with hay bails and get p&&&y with the dilberts amongst some.

I won't say anymore on the subject as the locals that started this forum are like me and utterly F%%%%%%%%%% Off with some
Could you explain the background to this, for the benefit of those like me, who don't know the history of the WAVE...?

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by Vulcanone » Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:02 am

Seahornet1

Memory is rather hazy now but, father was crossing the A15 early one morning in 1992, having taken shots of a Sentry departing. Someone decided they were not going to stop at the traffic lights....

Having ran the lights he hit Dad, which from memory knocked him 60ft down the road. He suffered 2 broken legs (both metal plated now), fractured pelvis, needed 5 blood transfusions and spent a year off work with other issues, Doctors deduced his being slightly overweight actually saved him.

Some of the regular locals, eventually got together with various parties which included the RAF, and the idea of a safe area to view the then heady days of the ACMI visitors and so on was born. I attended the press opening for it on the day of the earlier unveiling of 23 Squadron standing up with the E-3 Sentry as the 2nd Squadron on them.

So for those that don't pay attention on that road.....

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by Vulcanone » Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:05 am

Oh, and the guy that did it.....

Came into the hospital several days later with a bill for the damage to his car.... I don't recall Dad paid that and eventually got a very large compensation payout from said fella!!

I have seen many near misses, having been going to Waddington since the mid 1970s. thankfully I wasn't there that day.

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by Freeman Lowell » Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:34 am

65thAgressor wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:12 pm
Lets see if they cut the hedge, that might show if they do value are support.
And talking of near misses, you'd have to think the hedge will be cut to avoid the need for 'toggers to stand on tall 'ladders and risk getting tyre marks across their foreheads :'(
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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by baz1 » Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:49 am

Vulcanone wrote:
Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:05 am
Oh, and the guy that did it.....

Came into the hospital several days later with a bill for the damage to his car.... I don't recall Dad paid that and eventually got a very large compensation payout from said fella!!

I have seen many near misses, having been going to Waddington since the mid 1970s. thankfully I wasn't there that day.
OMG so sorry to hear about your father.
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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by Vulcanone » Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:34 am

baz1

He is thankfully still with us, at soon to be 76 later this year.

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by roughcutter » Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:02 am

Vulcanone wrote:
Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:34 am
baz1

He is thankfully still with us, at soon to be 76 later this year.
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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by Seahornet1 » Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:23 am

Vulcanone wrote:
Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:02 am
Seahornet1

Memory is rather hazy now but, father was crossing the A15 early one morning in 1992, having taken shots of a Sentry departing. Someone decided they were not going to stop at the traffic lights....

Having ran the lights he hit Dad, which from memory knocked him 60ft down the road. He suffered 2 broken legs (both metal plated now), fractured pelvis, needed 5 blood transfusions and spent a year off work with other issues, Doctors deduced his being slightly overweight actually saved him.

Some of the regular locals, eventually got together with various parties which included the RAF, and the idea of a safe area to view the then heady days of the ACMI visitors and so on was born. I attended the press opening for it on the day of the earlier unveiling of 23 Squadron standing up with the E-3 Sentry as the 2nd Squadron on them.

So for those that don't pay attention on that road.....
Crikey! :O

Thanks for the interesting info; a story well worth telling as a warning to us all, wherever we do our road-side spotting.

So glad to hear that he 'bounced back', anyway!

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by Vulcanone » Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:27 am

Yes roughcutter it is indeed

Also seahornet1 He sure did.

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by magnum » Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:13 pm

Remember that day very well, we had stopped off on the way to Coningsby. Horrible to witness, so pleased your Dad survived and is still with us 👍

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by Thor » Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:17 pm

Tally-ho wrote:
Fri Aug 18, 2023 12:56 pm
The WAVE (Waddington Aircraft Viewing Experience) is your pointer - viewing experience?! :lol:
WAVE has always been Waddington Aircraft Viewing Enclosure. It's an enclosure you can view aircraft from, does what it says on the tin.

Regarding your other tenuous link between the RAF having 'bad blood' with the public due to the recruiting scandal, all I can say is that if jumping to wrong conclusions was an Oympic sport, you'd be a gold medallist.

The airshows ceased running due to manning (or lack thereof) - as I recall, the Station Commander at the time was given a list of commitments comprising Ops, training and the airshow and was told that the station could support whichever 2 of the 3 he chose.
The haybales blocking fields is the farmer's choice - it's their (landowner in that area is a single farming group, so probably the farm manager makes the call) land to do with as he pleases and after this year's weather and much-delayed harvest, it's understandable that they don't want people traipsing across there or trying to park in the fields. The hare-coursing comment was also pretty much on the money - it's that season.
Ultimately most of the issues boil down to the same thing - money. Farmers need to protect their livelihood and not waste money paying their staff to drive around all day making sure spotters/enthusiasts aren't taking the pee and wandering around regardless of requests (yes, there are a large number of 'special ones' who walk amongst us..). The RAF/MoD have a choice between paying for a facility only used by the public or putting that money into their own capabilities.

Realistically, as it's a tourist attraction, any permanent facility at WAVE should be funded by the county or district council. But they're also struggling to maintain funding for their existing attractions they already have financial responsibility for and adding another large commitment in times of constantly reducing government funding isn't going to work. Nor is adding a nice-to-have onto council tax bills.

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by Vulcanone » Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:15 pm

Thanks magnum

On the nail as always Thor

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Re: Cobra Warrior 23-2

Post by Black Mike » Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:25 pm

Vulcanone wrote:
Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:02 am
Seahornet1

Memory is rather hazy now but, father was crossing the A15 early one morning in 1992, having taken shots of a Sentry departing. Someone decided they were not going to stop at the traffic lights....

Having ran the lights he hit Dad, which from memory knocked him 60ft down the road. He suffered 2 broken legs (both metal plated now), fractured pelvis, needed 5 blood transfusions and spent a year off work with other issues, Doctors deduced his being slightly overweight actually saved him.

Some of the regular locals, eventually got together with various parties which included the RAF, and the idea of a safe area to view the then heady days of the ACMI visitors and so on was born. I attended the press opening for it on the day of the earlier unveiling of 23 Squadron standing up with the E-3 Sentry as the 2nd Squadron on them.

So for those that don't pay attention on that road.....
Given the context, the final warning line of your post is still valid today as not everyone stops at the lights and many ignore the temporary speed limit in place during CW including some very big trucks which I would not want to argue with. I remember hearing about the incident. So glad your dad is still with us after his trauma.

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