Defence Review Overview

[TonyO]

News on additional A400s.
Well no additional A400s.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/air- ... affordable

That's Brexit and the financial hole it has left us in.

When you cannot grow the economy because you cannot trade with your nearest trading partner this is what happens...you cannot have nice things.

[jetranger2015]

News on additional A400s.
Well no additional A400s.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/air- ... affordable

That's Brexit and the financial hole it has left us in.

When you cannot grow the economy because you cannot trade with your nearest trading partner this is what happens...you cannot have nice things.

More to do with the knock-on effects / costs of Covid and the Ukraine situation in my opinion.
Brexit is blamed for everything in some peoples eyes without looking at the bigger picture.

[TonyO]

News on additional A400s.
Well no additional A400s.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/air- ... affordable

That's Brexit and the financial hole it has left us in.

When you cannot grow the economy because you cannot trade with your nearest trading partner this is what happens...you cannot have nice things.

More to do with the knock-on effects / costs of Covid and the Ukraine situation in my opinion.
Brexit is blamed for everything in some peoples eyes without looking at the bigger picture.

In your opinion...just need to look at GDP figures, the UK isn't growing and the rest of Europe is recovering or on course to recover from Covid faster than we will. Got to ask yourself why.

[Sparts99]

That and the £30bn Truss wiped out that has to be recovered.

[plmc135]

Lockheed are still building Hercs

[TonyO]

That and the £30bn Truss wiped out that has to be recovered.

That was a failed response to trying to grow the economy because...etc.

[RubyRoo]

@TonyO, Brexit is clearly to blame for the UK's ills. I wouldn't waste your time trying to convince others of it, though. Like talking to a brick wall.

They can argue Ukraine and Covid all they like, but the truth is that all the other major economies have and shall continue to grow despite the ongoing issues, all except the UK.

Brexit is the greatest policy blunder this country has ever committed and there are those that will never accept what a tremendous mistake they have made.

[Col Nago]

If only we had a few of the most modern C-130’s in the RAF’s inventory. They could shore up the gap. Oh wait…

[XWP29]

@TonyO, Brexit is clearly to blame for the UK's ills. I wouldn't waste your time trying to convince others of it, though. Like talking to a brick wall.

They can argue Ukraine and Covid all they like, but the truth is that all the other major economies have and shall continue to grow despite the ongoing issues, all except the UK.

Brexit is the greatest policy blunder this country has ever committed and there are those that will never accept what a tremendous mistake they have made.

Interested in the claims so had a look at some independent statistic’s here:
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-li ... ent=europe

Belgium and Austria to name just two and there are many more have lower growth rates than the U.K.. Significantly Germany is lower. This fits the commercial picture we are seeing with less sales to Germany due to the slowing of the economy there, no other reason.

[RubyRoo]

@TonyO, Brexit is clearly to blame for the UK's ills. I wouldn't waste your time trying to convince others of it, though. Like talking to a brick wall.

They can argue Ukraine and Covid all they like, but the truth is that all the other major economies have and shall continue to grow despite the ongoing issues, all except the UK.

Brexit is the greatest policy blunder this country has ever committed and there are those that will never accept what a tremendous mistake they have made.

Interested in the claims so had a look at some independent statistic’s here:
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-li ... ent=europe

Belgium and Austria to name just two and there are many more have lower growth rates than the U.K.. Significantly Germany is lower. This fits the commercial picture we are seeing with less sales to Germany due to the slowing of the economy there, no other reason.

Germany, despite being heavily reliant on Russian energy, is still falling less than the UK in 2023. You'll notice the top performer in 2023. I wonder which neighbour they're getting newly found business from?

2024 is yet more dismal figures for the UK.



https://twitter.com/BrexitBin/status/15 ... 3925161984

[Jason Grant]

Please keep on subject and not let political opinion spoil a very good thread.

Thanks.

[RubyRoo]

OBR economic forecasts aren't political opinion, they're undeniable facts which relate directly to available money for defence spending, the topic of this thread.

[Northsky]

For years the MOD and mandarins have got procurement wrong .

[XWP29]

Please keep on subject and not let political opinion spoil a very good thread.

Thanks.

Good point, it’d be interesting to see the costs of the war in Eastern Asia let alone the Ukraine. Must be absolutely massive. I’m all in favour of increased expenditure on defence.
Seeing the Bank of Englands prediction's on inflation last year to the massive actual increase this year. One could be forgiven for doubting the BOE, the OBR and the FT as to our ability to fund defence.

[Canberra TT.18]

Pumas soldier on longer, until 2027-2028

https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/ra ... 40.article

[Sparts99]

An airframe that came into service when I was at school, and will go out of service after I retire. That length of service matches the Canberra almost exactly.

[bizfreeq]

Pumas soldier on longer, until 2027-2028

https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/ra ... 40.article

Quite clearly states in the article that no decision on the extension has been made

[Canberra TT.18]

Pumas soldier on longer, until 2027-2028

https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/ra ... 40.article

Quite clearly states in the article that no decision on the extension has been made

Neither on a replacement...

[scousefowler]

OBR economic forecasts aren't political opinion, they're undeniable facts which relate directly to available money for defence spending, the topic of this thread.

Forecasts are not `undeniable facts`

[Cyberfox]

How come when almost unlimited emergency funds had to be found from somewhere to deal with covid, the Govt somehow found them, able to pay furlough to working people amongst other things must have cost multiple billions. But the money was found, because it was needed.

But now, with a war in Europe because of an aggressive Russia, more aggressive even than it was in the Cold War decades, the government doesn’t seem to have any appetite to increase defence spending, or rather hardware procurement in any real terms. I don’t understand, with the terrible situation in Ukraine, not to mention an increasingly hostile China, why we are not finding the emergency funds to buy more fast jets and transports to defend/deter in a time as dangerous as the Cuban missile crisis, not to mention inviting more USAF squadrons to be based here. Why is that? They found billions for covid, and still billions for foreign aid, yet expanding the RAF doesn’t seem to be even under consideration. Is Russia not really seen as serious a threat as it was when we had about thirty fast jet squadrons in the 80s?