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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by Snoop 95 » Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:09 am

Precinct7 wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:12 pm
MoD procurement ! you really could not make it up & its our money !

everything is long & drawn out and end up costing twice as much a the estimate
will they ever learn
Yes, it's very difficult to accept when this sort of thing happens, but the problem is the long duration of the order process. When a situation arises a case has to be made for release of funds from tight budgets, all of which involves it being passed up the management chain, then an order is eventually placed, the aircraft (in this case) is constructed and then delivered and by this stage the original requirement has changed! Not unusual in a fast-changing world.
The end of the 'Cold War' is a prime example. I recall that RAF Bentwaters had a newly resurfaced runway and a newly-constructed admin block shortly before closure was announced. Circumstances alter cases.

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by Kurnass » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:06 pm

Cant these helicopters be used for training like the other Junos? Limits the flying hours to the total fleet, and they have already been paid for anyway.
Or are they in a totally different configuration?

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by Canberra TT.18 » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:27 pm

It seems it was known they weren't needed already on the production line. As they were delivered in a trainings/police c/s instead of army colours...

And does anyone know if they have (officially) been allocated serials?

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by tommc » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:32 pm

Canberra TT.18 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:27 pm
And does anyone know if they have (officially) been allocated serials?
No.

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by Canberra TT.18 » Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:29 pm

tommc wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:32 pm
Canberra TT.18 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:27 pm
And does anyone know if they have (officially) been allocated serials?
No.
Hello Tommc,

Okay
Non are allocated or these are not known?

And is it normal non are allocated even when the aircraft are delivered and it seems to be stored at RAF Shawbury.
I ask seeing your caption and so being an impressive source for UK and other serials.

Pieter

Ps. Otherwise they are going in the books (for now) with civil regi's.

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by Yammer » Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:51 pm

The Gazelle fleet do more than just their role in Northern Ireland.

Gazelles are frequent visitors to units in my home county of Herefordshire.

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by tommc » Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:07 am

At the moment, these 5 H135s have NOT been allocated military registrations.

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by Canberra TT.18 » Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:02 am

tommc wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:07 am
At the moment, these 5 H135s have NOT been allocated military registrations.
:thumb:

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by Arthur Tee » Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:08 am

I can’t help thinking that these might soon be gifted to Ukraine…

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by Fives » Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:10 am

Can I start the rumour that one will replace the Northolt A109 GZ100.

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by Ravendriver2008 » Wed Feb 08, 2023 2:12 pm

Kurnass wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:06 pm
Cant these helicopters be used for training like the other Junos? Limits the flying hours to the total fleet, and they have already been paid for anyway.
Or are they in a totally different configuration?

Prob not as configured for surveillance like the NPAS .. but we do or do not need any more for the Shawbury fleet at mo,

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by Nighthawke » Wed Feb 08, 2023 2:36 pm

Fives wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:10 am
Can I start the rumour that one will replace the Northolt A109 GZ100.
Yes if there's some substance to it, otherwise pointless.

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by Ravendriver2008 » Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:01 pm

Arthur Tee wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:08 am
I can’t help thinking that these might soon be gifted to Ukraine…

And add on extra weight for Defence Aided Suite (chaff flare, ) ..the H135 wouldn’t be suited for combat , more of a surveillance platform but then how long would it last before being taken out by a triple A / SAM?

2 decades ago, then Eurocopter touted armed H135 ..I saw at Paris Air Show 2001 and 2003, they had armed versions of the H135 on static. And it was only a few years back the H135M was marketed now Airbus Helicopters don’t. The larger H145M is the new kid on the block ..armed multi role light hello being marketed and sold quite well.

Mil H135 are only used as training or liaison by the likes of Australia, Brazil, Germany, Ireland, Japan, Jordan, Spain, Switzerland, etc etc

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by roger4 » Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:49 pm

The Gazelles aren't due to be phased out of service until next year, so is it possible that the five new examples have gone into storage until then? Long term storage might mean a few months, rather than forever.

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by tm74sqn » Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:07 pm

The final Jaguars produced for the RAF were in store at RAF Abingdon for many months, but eventually leased to the Indian AF (which crashed one), before being returned to the RAF. Similarly quite a few Typhoons were stored at Warton for some time before entering RAF service. NB. All the above from memory, so may not be entirely accurate!

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by NorvilleRogers » Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:02 pm

tm74sqn wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:07 pm
The final Jaguars produced for the RAF were in store at RAF Abingdon for many months, but eventually leased to the Indian AF (which crashed one), before being returned to the RAF. Similarly quite a few Typhoons were stored at Warton for some time before entering RAF service. NB. All the above from memory, so may not be entirely accurate!
Thought it was the opposite, the Jaguars loaned to Inda were very early RAF production ones. The one that crashed was XX111 (JI011 with India) which was the 4th single seat production RAF jag. Not sure that many (if any) went back into RAF service when they were returned.

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by twinstar » Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:06 pm

G-CMIU was delivered into Shawbury today.

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by bizfreeq » Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:09 pm

NorvilleRogers wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:02 pm
tm74sqn wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:07 pm
The final Jaguars produced for the RAF were in store at RAF Abingdon for many months, but eventually leased to the Indian AF (which crashed one), before being returned to the RAF. Similarly quite a few Typhoons were stored at Warton for some time before entering RAF service. NB. All the above from memory, so may not be entirely accurate!
Thought it was the opposite, the Jaguars loaned to Inda were very early RAF production ones. The one that crashed was XX111 (JI011 with India) which was the 4th single seat production RAF jag. Not sure that many (if any) went back into RAF service when they were returned.
Correct, 16 of the 18 were early 70s (73 and 74) models that started with XX serials, the remaining pair were 77 models in the XZ3.. batch. I think at least 4 saw RAF service after returning from India, to what extent that was I have no idea but one was written off in 96. Some also ended up with the RAFO
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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by Ravendriver2008 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:02 pm

twinstar wrote:
Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:06 pm
G-CMIU was delivered into Shawbury today.
Another for ascent training fleet …

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Re: AAC Gazelle replacement

Post by Davef68 » Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:04 pm

tommc wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:07 am
At the moment, these 5 H135s have NOT been allocated military registrations.
I wonder if that's to make the process of selling/disposing of them easier. No paperwork/cost to re-register/certify them as civilian.

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