Tempest to fly faster than the speed of sound

[65thAgressor]

I dont know if anyone saw this on GB news this morning. It says Britain to work with Italy and Japan to develop the Tempest,next generation fighter jet expected to be able to fly faster than the speed of sound. Blimey that sounds fast, you would have though it would already have been done.(Sarcasm)!

[verreli]

Of more interest is the speed from project initiation to in service date which is sporty to say the least. Add in partners and you have a recipe for delay.

Anyone else think it's an ugly looking aircraft; even worse than F-35 and not a patch on NGAD? They do say though that if it looks right, it'll fly right... Oh.

[Fighterfoto]

The shape is expected to change as the programme matures

[moonstone_laura]

From 'DefenseNews':

Move over, Tempest: Japan pact takes UK-Italy fighter plan ‘global’

https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... an-global/

[Finty]

Of more interest is the speed from project initiation to in service date which is sporty to say the least. Add in partners and you have a recipe for delay.

Anyone else think it's an ugly looking aircraft; even worse than F-35 and not a patch on NGAD? They do say though that if it looks right, it'll fly right... Oh.

According to a BBC article from approx 2018 they mentioned that it had been nicknamed “pregnant pelican”. Not sure by whom but I can see why, let’s hope whatever does emerge looks better.

[Condor68]

As they cant think of new names does that mean if I can breathe long enough I might be able to fly in an operational Spitfire?

[Vulcanone]

Its already shed the shape that caused it to gain the pelican nickname.

Verreli :......If you had worked in aviation publishing you might have followed folks that actually have a clue about it.

[anthony martin]

WOW ,That speed sounds really exciting

[anthony martin]

WOW ,That speed sounds really exciting

[verreli]

Its already shed the shape that caused it to gain the pelican nickname.
Verreli :......If you had worked in aviation publishing you might have followed folks that actually have a clue about it.

I think it's safe to say I don't work in aviation publishing. Are you suggesting the revised shape is a thing of beauty? I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder but from the official BAES published images from one day ago, it's still pig ugly and to be honest, not particularly stealthy when compared to its peers. The virtual cockpit is an interesting concept though and the weight saving will contribute directly to performance. What's the verdict of the aviation publishing industry?

[POL]

Verreli :......If you had worked in aviation publishing you might have followed folks that actually have a clue about it.

Is the aviation publishing community renowned for its 5th/6th gen aircraft design skills?

[TomG]

UK, Italy and Japan on a project collaboration - what could go wrong .....

[TonyO]

Of more interest is the speed from project initiation to in service date which is sporty to say the least. Add in partners and you have a recipe for delay.

Anyone else think it's an ugly looking aircraft; even worse than F-35 and not a patch on NGAD? They do say though that if it looks right, it'll fly right... Oh.

I am intrigued to know what NGAD looks like, because I am fairly sure that's still black world stuff.

The current UK/Italy FCAS configurations released since Farnborough are quite pretty for modern fighters, nice big lambda-wing, and not entirely unlike an F-22.

[verreli]

I am intrigued to know what NGAD looks like, because I am fairly sure that's still black world stuff.

The current UK/Italy FCAS configurations released since Farnborough are quite pretty for modern fighters, nice big lambda-wing, and not entirely unlike an F-22.

It'll be a few years before the public at large sees anything but from the themes emerging from artists concepts 6th gen will be an optionally manned, blended wing body with no tail / canards / fins. This is consistent with the little we know about the Raider the first 6th gen officially rolled out - albeit a mud mover rather than fighter. I suspect that given the maturity of Russian and Chinese passive sensors, as much emphasis will be placed on IR as Radar stealth. Unfortunately though, I'm no aviation publisher so just guessing.

Tempest???


Tempest ???

[roughcutter]

WOW ,That speed sounds really exciting

That's the speed the money's changing hands

[C24]

Taken from the Internet

Air Force Says 6th Gen Stealth Fighter Will Operate Up to 5 Surveillance & Attack Drones. The Air Force may wind up building several manned variants of the emerging 6th-Generation Next-Generation Air Dominance stealth fighter jet.

If this is the likely situation, why not skip to the 7th generation with a pilotless m/c controlled from a ground unit at Waddo?


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[Vulcanone]

POL, Perhaps if you follow folks like Tony who is lucky to still work in the industry you may seek that answer to your question.

Some folks in the industry are or were from the Armed Forces and aviation industry.

[Col Nago]

I suspect that given the maturity of Russian and Chinese passive sensors, as much emphasis will be placed on IR as Radar stealth.

I would have said China is most definitely the biggest threat in terms of detection when it comes to the West's stealth technology. Russia however...their days are over. Certainly for the next couple of decades.

[verreli]

I suspect that given the maturity of Russian and Chinese passive sensors, as much emphasis will be placed on IR as Radar stealth.

I would have said China is most definitely the biggest threat in terms of detection when it comes to the West's stealth technology. Russia however...their days are over. Certainly for the next couple of decades.

Recent events could make Russian technology even more of a threat. Their passive technology is mature and likely already reverse engineered by the Chinese for a head start in future development. Their own military / economy may be depleted but that may encourage them to export their existing products (platforms / SAMs) to multiple tin pot dictators / pariah states at attractive bargain basement prices? 5th gen F-35 has a huge focussed heat source at the back which is an easy target for this technology which is why I guess 6th gen will attempt to improve this area of stealth.

[TonyO]

I am intrigued to know what NGAD looks like, because I am fairly sure that's still black world stuff.

The current UK/Italy FCAS configurations released since Farnborough are quite pretty for modern fighters, nice big lambda-wing, and not entirely unlike an F-22.

It'll be a few years before the public at large sees anything but from the themes emerging from artists concepts 6th gen will be an optionally manned, blended wing body with no tail / canards / fins. This is consistent with the little we know about the Raider the first 6th gen officially rolled out - albeit a mud mover rather than fighter. I suspect that given the maturity of Russian and Chinese passive sensors, as much emphasis will be placed on IR as Radar stealth. Unfortunately though, I'm no aviation publisher so just guessing.

Tempest???


Tempest ???

The second one is closer to the configuration they will be working towards, note the similarities to Japan's F-X/F-3 configurations.