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andrewn
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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by andrewn » Sat Sep 03, 2022 9:13 am

Vulture 01 wrote:
Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:12 am
All,
There is more to this than you have discussed.
Take a look at https://www.pprune.org/aviation-history ... osses.html

There are a few more facts on there for you to consider.
There was a lease in place until 2021, a 12 month extension was agreed, and now Cornwall Council want CAHC out as they believe they can generate greater rental income from the museum site than they are presently getting.

Nothing in those facts that in anyway changes my opinion that the local Council are jusy money grabbing and showing a complete disregard for CAHC and all the time, money and effort that has gone into creating a fantastic working museum.

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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by EGDR » Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:41 pm

Vulture 01 wrote:
Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:12 am
All,
There is more to this than you have discussed.
Take a look at https://www.pprune.org/aviation-history ... osses.html

There are a few more facts on there for you to consider.
There isn't, really. The lease expiring does not mean the lease cannot be renewed. And, given CAHC's success in creating a visitor attraction for locals and tourists alike, as well as the educational opportunities they've developed alongside, I do not think it's at all unreasonable that they expected the council (who constantly talk about needing to diversify Cornwall's attractions and make sure they are a draw year-round rather than just in the summer season) would be on their side.
Haxbylad wrote:
Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:31 am
I hope this has nothing to do with the virgin Spaceport


For clarification's sake, the Spaceport venture is not run by any part of the Virgin business. Virgin Orbit are simply a partner and customer of the Spaceport.

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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by FlyingFairy » Sun Sep 04, 2022 4:29 pm

Seems that CAHC aren’t the only ones who are having issues with the council

https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story/la ... is-winter/

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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by Rob666 » Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:27 am

I am lucky to be able to Holiday in Cornwall and have for the last 20+ years you can't beat it and have been a number of times to the museum. I think to loose such a asset for the local community is a big shortsighted mistake, forgetting the great aviation collection it is. I spoke to a fellow spotter who had driven down with a couple of mates just for the museum and had booked into a local B&B for the night and going to a pub for a meal and couple of beers, surely the local council can see the benefit for the local area?

Aircraftpaulcornwall

Cornwall Aircraft Heritage Centre

Post by Aircraftpaulcornwall » Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:40 pm

Hi All,
I just thought that you may be interested to know of some developments that have occurred over the preservation of our Cornwall Aircraft Heritage Centre,
which is based close to Newquay Airport in Cornwall.
The back story to all of this is that CAHC has been diligently renting ground there (from Cornwall Council) for some 12 years or so now.
It is a widely known visitor attraction down here and is well used by families (& aircraft enthusiasts) for a really good day out.
Cornwall Council have given CAHC until next March (2023) to find a new venue to carry on their operation, or from that date, they face eviction from the site.
Many volunteers over the many years have given their free time to restore very many aircraft, including I believe, the original 'gate guard' Shackleton
at R.A.F. St. Mawgan.
I understand that a petition has been launched to try to save this Historical Aircraft Centre and I wish them all luck in this.
IF A NEW VENUE CANNOT BE FOUND, THEN CAHC (DUE TO COST OF ROAD TRANSPORT) WILL HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE THAN TO HAVE TO SCRAP ALL OF THESE
BEAUTIFUL AIRCRAFT.
Please, - if someone can help in anyway whatsoever to prevent this from happening - then please do help - it will be greatly appreciated by all of us.
Many thanks and with best wishes --Paul (Aircraftpaulcornwall)

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Re: Cornwall Aircraft Heritage Centre

Post by Nighthawke » Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:57 pm

Already well covered here:

viewtopic.php?f=287&t=224076

Aircraftpaulcornwall

Re: Cornwall Aircraft Heritage Centre

Post by Aircraftpaulcornwall » Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:42 pm

Hi Nighthawke,
Thank you for letting me know - greatly appreciated & apologies for
the delay in replying! --Paul

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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by Professor_M » Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:49 am

Petition now made it past 20,000.

Petition here:
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A ... 1--QTattYA

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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by FlyingFairy » Wed Apr 05, 2023 2:11 pm

Latest update from CAHC;

Death Knell for Aviation Heritage and Education Centre
The Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre has received a devastating blow to its exciting plans to relocate to a new site. Cornwall Council insists that the museum must vacate its current premises immediately, even though the new site will not be ready for at least 12 to 18 months. This means that the museum’s plans to relocate are in tatters.
And immediately means immediately – on 4th April the Council formally advised CAHC it must clear the entire site and move thousands of valuable and vulnerable heritage exhibits by Tuesday 11/4/23 otherwise the Council’s agent will ‘make arrangements for them to be disposed of’.
The museum was sure that they had fixed the threat to their future when local land-owner and businessman Rundle Weldhen offered a new site alongside the airport and entrepreneur philanthropist Mark Lancaster (SDL Ltd/SDL Foundation) pledged £1million for the relocation project.
CAHC and Mark Lancaster were in negotiations to remain at the current premises and trade until December 2023 to raise additional funds and prepare the new site for the relocation project but, as of 24/3/23 this request was flatly refused - even though the airport and Council have not published any plans for the existing premises once they have been vacated by CAHC.
Despite publicly stating that they would support the museum if it presented a credible and deliverable proposal to relocate, Cornwall Council has insisted that CAHC vacate its current premises immediately
The airport has agreed to allow some space on the old disused runway to temporarily store some of the historic aircraft whilst they are prepared for transport or scrapping, and the Council had scheduled a meeting for the 13th April to discuss storage options for the more vulnerable indoor aircraft and heritage exhibits, some of which need to be protected while arrangements are put in place to return them to their RAF, Navy and private owners. This meeting now appears to have been unilaterally abandoned, without any advice from the Council.
Museum founder and director Richard Spencer-Breeze said ‘Clearing the site by the 11th March, over the Easter weekend is completely impossible. Are they mad? We only received notification that Mark Lancaster’s proposal for CAHC to trade until December had been refused 10 days ago and we immediately started the process of clearing the museum from the site, but this deadline is ridiculous. We’ve fought for so long, but we can’t go on like this any longer. This Council seems committed to seeing this museum close forever. We found a new site after they turned down all of our previous proposals without even discussing them, we raised £1million, we received the unequivocal support of every major education body in the County, we offered the once in a lifetime chance for Cornwall to have a unique, all-year, state-of-the-art aerospace attraction and education hub. All they had to do was let us stay where we are for another 8 to 12 months. But no, they won’t even let us relocate in realistic fashion, they would rather see this one-of-a-kind, award-winning business disappear. It’s utterly disgraceful.’
The online petition to save the Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre has attracted more than 40,000 signatures and thousands of heartfelt message of outrage and support - https://www.change.org/p/save-cornwall- aviation-heritage-centre
Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre Ltd – VAT Reg. No.: 228628194
Tel. 01637 861962 - Web.: www.cornwallaviationhc.co.uk – Email – info@cornwallaviationhc.co.uk

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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by Vulture 01 » Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:44 pm

With Virgin Space going down the tubes, one would think that the council would welcome at least one paying customer!

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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by binbrook87 » Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:26 pm

This is more than sad it makes you very very angry! Cornwall council should be ashamed of their actions.

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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by Tank621 » Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:41 pm

It feels completely deliberate they've chosen the Easter weekend for this, to destroy any chance of the CAHC retaining its exhibits in any capacity and establishing the museum at a new site. Just how many of these aircraft are going to get the chop then to satisfy some hidden council agenda?

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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by Rob666 » Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:52 pm

Complete Bankers!

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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by cat1 » Wed Apr 05, 2023 6:42 pm

Vulture 01 wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:44 pm
With Virgin Space going down the tubes, one would think that the council would welcome at least one paying customer!
next it will be
'we are desperately looking for investment to ensure the airport stays open'
in typical council fashion :grr:

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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by FGR2 » Wed Apr 05, 2023 7:54 pm

The council have been coming out with nonsense for months about high value jobs, and best return for Council tax payers, however have said nothing to back up their claims. Last time I went to the airfield (October) there were more trailers and bin lorries than anything else. Hardly high tech inspirational industries. I suppose they are more useful than a Branson Rocket though.

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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by B58 » Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:21 pm

:grr: Absolutely scandalous, Cornwall County Council you should be ashamed of yourselves. I know the former Raf St Mawgan really well & with a little commitment & juggling around a solution could of been found.

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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by davedubya » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:39 pm

I can't quite fathom how the situation has arisen, it doesn't seem to make any logical sense. Feels like there's a missing part to the story.

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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by CLPSLFBT » Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:29 am

Hi all, it’s an absolute disgrace what’s happened to these guys but I can’t help but thinking there’s an agenda somewhere………perhaps and my opinion only someone somewhere has muted the place to have something to do with housing the Immigrants temporarily incase Lincolnshire and Essex fall through due to the legal action being taken?

Just a thought ( my own)

Hopefully common sense will prevail or at least the truth comes out but it’s a bizarre and disappointing period of time for the place.

Cheers Glenn

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Re: Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre closure

Post by EGDR » Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:03 pm

CLPSLFBT wrote:
Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:29 am
perhaps and my opinion only someone somewhere has muted the place to have something to do with housing the Immigrants temporarily incase Lincolnshire and Essex fall through due to the legal action being taken?

No.

Not only do the council/aiport want to put the site within the airside perimeter, which doesn't make for a good accommodation site, Newquay has only just gotten out of the headlines as a location for housing asylum seekers. Given the racist protests that were attracted previously, the local authority is not keen to see that repeated just as the summer season kicks off.

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