Trumpeter 1/32 jag/buc. Where are they??

[PeteHemsley]

Where Are these models??? Sure they were due for release in 2010, but everything seems to have gone hush hush now.

Anybody heard much more about these??

[Flyingmonster]

All I can find mate is these...

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http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history- ... -pics.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[jamesv9820]

I did hear the Jaguar would be around December 2012 and the Bucaneer was never confirmed to be a 32nd Scale one... but we shall see.

The Harrier GR7 is due to be released soon.

[Sheff]

It's an old saga. Unfortunately there are far too many idiots on both ARC and PPrune and no matter how hard I tried to persuade them to calm-down and find-out who this guy was who posted-up the photos, they didn't want to listen - they were far too busy whipping themselves into a frenzy.

So, after all this time, one assumes that what I said was correct, and the guy was not a representative of Trumpeter at all - he was just some random fool trying to wind-up forum users with pictures he'd gleaned from the company.

As far as we can determine, neither subject has yet been put into production. The photographs show mock-ups which do not represent the actual kits. The real kits (if and when they appear) will probably not have the same detail, as they have to be simplified for the manufacturing process. Likewise there's no official word on what scale they will be. The photos indicate that the Buccaneer is actually 48th scale which suggests that it may actually be the basis of a HobbyBoss kit in 48th scale, rather than a Trumpeter 32nd scale kit. The Jaguar is just as mysterious.

So, all we can do is wait until Trumpeter (or HobbyBoss) finally get either or both kits into production. They may well be 32nd scale but it's probably wise not to expect anything, just in case they're not. My hunch is that the Jaguar will be a Trumpeter 32nd scale kit but that the Buccaneer will be a HobbyBoss kit in 48th scale. Either way, there doesn't seem to be any prospect of either kit appearing this year, sadly.

[seven]

The 1/32 Jaguar is defo going to happen. We had some basic info of it (CAD images and sizes etc) about a year or so ago from the UK supplier. Havent heard anything since, and its not in the current catalogue. The Buccaneer is going to be done, but as Sheff says there is no confirmation of scale yet, so wether its in a Hobbyboss or Trumpy box remains to be seen.

Dont forget the fiasco with the A-6 and the A-4, which were first publicised 6 years ago, and the first A-4 was only recently released!

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[HighlandSniper]

I've learnt over the years not to listen to those who pontificate on forums about what will or won't be released and when because in most cases they are wrong. The worst part of the modelling sector for rumour, counter-rumour and even deliberate subversion is the Chinese sector and there're always plenty who will turn a rumour into gospel truth overnight. I would love to see both the Buccaneer and Jaguar in 1:32 and hope they will appear, but I'm not going to listen to rumours from Mr Song or anyone else until there is some substance to them.

It's all very well talking about CAD drawings etc., but they don't prove anything. The only "definite" I'll listen to will be on a manufacturer's or importer's website - until I see a firm pre-release announcement I'm not believing anything.

[Sheff]

Exactly. It's a pity that the folks on Britmodeller and ARC don't have a similar attitude. My attempts to persuade them to get a grip on reality simply resulted in my memberships being terminated - an old tactic employed by Administrators when they can't think of a coherent answer - it's a bit like a school kid sticking his fingers in his ears! It's all rather silly, but it seems that the vast majority of the forum users wanted to simply whip themselves into a frenzy, regardless of whether there were any grounds on which to start the same frenzy. Some people really are bonkers!

[HighlandSniper]

I've never seen anything quite like those forums - having their heads buried in the sand, or as I suspect in must cases up their own a****s, is a specific requirement. If your face doesn't fit into one of the various cliques you're wasting your time. I joined, posted a few times and found myself either shot down in flames or ignored, gave up long ago.

If a rumour is supported by one of the "inner sanctum", it's treated as gospel, otherwise it's rubbished by the faithful. These days I lurk occasionally, but not often.

Back on topic, no-one would be happier than I to see either magnificent aircraft available in 1:32 scale, but even then we all know that one is taking a chance with Trumpeter - they've made a bit of a Horlicks of both the Lightning and the Harrier so it doesn't bode well for more British offerings.

I'd much rather see both of these beauties mastered and made into kit form by Revell - or perhaps Airfix might branch into 1:32, who knows?

[Sheff]

Oh the stories are many and varied. There was/is one individual who makes endless posts and implies that he's some sort of Airfix representative. It transpired that he simply lurked around the Airfix stand at exhibitions and repeated whatever he heard! Problem is, the typical modeller/forum user has no way of telling who knows what he's talking about and who is just some random lunatic. My favourite story was one infamous "modeller" who embarked upon a rant at a model show, aimed at one of the guys manning a well-known decal manufacturer's stand. He stormed off, shouting that the guy was an idiot and he didn't know anything about aeroplanes. Sadly he didn't know he'd been talking to the Assistant Editor of AFM!

The modelling forums do inevitably become a clique and as you say, if your face doesn't fit or you say something they don't want to hear, you get booted-off. Doesn't matter of course but it's a shame for all the users who don't know who is bonkers and who isn't!

As for the Jaguar and Buccaneer, I was convinced that the Jaguar would certainly be 32nd scale but from what I've heard from a few people now, I don't think even that is certain now. As you say, a CAD drawing and a mock-up tells us nothing. The thinking now seems to be that the Buccaneer is more likely to be a HobbyBoss 48th scale kit and there's no reason to imagine that the Jaguar isn't the same. On the face of it, they would certainly look more appropriate to the HobbyBoss range. I hope that they are both 32nd scale though. I don't see what point there would be in 48th scale kits when Airfix have tackled both, even if they haven't tackled them very well. But then HobbyBoss cater for a different market to Airfix so I imagine they don't really care whether AIrfix have tackled the same subjects. The only real concern is whether they'd make a mess of them both! As you say, Trumpeter's track record is inconsistent at best, but HobbyBoss' is just as bad - look at that ghastly Tornado kit.

Still, the Jaguar and Buccaneer mock-ups look pretty good so let's hope they translate these into moulds. Let's also hope that they're both 32nd scale. I'm preparing myself for a disappointment in the hope that I'm nicely surprised!

Ah yes, Revell would be a dream! I suppose it's unlikely though, especially when they've traditionally been obsessed with aircraft that have a German angle. One wonders how the lovely Hawk kit slipped through the net?! I'm still praying that Revell produce a 32nd scale canberra one day - it does have a slight German connection so you never know...

As for Airfix, I mentioned this on ARC many moons ago. I was immediately jumped-upon and accused of all manner of crimes for even suggesting the very idea of embarking on a 32nd scale range. The usual "experts" insisted that their 24th scale range is beyond reproach and that 32nd scale is just a fad being pursued by Trumpeter. What can you say to people like this?!