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Cairo's Gems Part II: Egyptian Airforce Museum

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Cairo's Gems Part II: Egyptian Airforce Museum

Post by Jazz » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:18 pm

A great collection here in an impressive facility, at the NE side of Almaza Airbase. With a lot of the exhibits being kept in the shade undercover (understandable with the often harsh sun), photography conditions are obviously often not ideal, though not really a problem. So many highlights here, of seldom seen and photographed aircraft, a couple that i was extremely happy to catch in particular were the very impressive Tu-16 Badger (4012) and of course the Phantom. F-4E ex 7827 is marked with the original FMS '67289' (67-0289), and fitted with an AN/ALQ-119(V) jammer. Lots of evidence of BDRT use, but thankfully a survivor for the public to see.
Thankfully no problems with access here (despite not knowing for sure that the museum was open to the public), with a friendly security escort following us around...

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Finally, this DH.60T Moth was one of the founding Egyptian Army Air Force aircraft from 1932, and has the Royal Egyptian Air Force insignia as worn from 1945–1958...

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As per Wiki... On 2 November 1930 the King of Egypt and Sudan, Fuad I announced the creation of the Egyptian Army Air Force (EAAF). In May 1931 the Egyptian Council of Ministers approved the purchase of five aircraft and the building of an airfield at Almaza. The aircraft chosen was the British de Havilland Gipsy Moth trainer, with the five modified aircraft flown from England to Egypt in May 1932, as the air force was founded and the Almaza airfield was formally opened. In 1937 the Egyptian Army Air Force was separated from the Army Command and became an independent branch named the Royal Egyptian Air Force (REAF).

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Re: Cairo's Gems Part II: Egyptian Airforce Museum

Post by Gingercake » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:35 pm

Impressive collection, nicely preserved.

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Re: Cairo's Gems Part II: Egyptian Airforce Museum

Post by herbert » Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:04 pm

Fascinating.

Looks like something funny is going on with the gun fairing on the F-4E. The door normally attached to the undercarriage is missing and the main fairing looks strange.

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Re: Cairo's Gems Part II: Egyptian Airforce Museum

Post by herbert » Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:19 pm

Was there any information indicating when the F-4s were withdrawn? A few years ago now.

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Re: Cairo's Gems Part II: Egyptian Airforce Museum

Post by Jazz » Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:38 pm

Thanks Herbert, you may be correct with the Phantom, not surprisingly it appears to have been 'prepared' for display, probably from a partly-stripped condition.
And no, no information on the types retirement etc. There seems to be a lot of unknown about that, with some references still having them in service!
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Post by Jazz » Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:42 pm

And cheers, Gingercake, for replies to both parts :thumb:
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Post by Dazza37 » Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:52 pm

herbert wrote:Was there any information indicating when the F-4s were withdrawn? A few years ago now.
Best estimate is 2011/12 but, it may have been earlier. Egyptian F-4E's apparently never had very good serviceability and when a number of them were ferried from Egypt to the US in 1994 for depot level overhaul, some of the ferry crews initially refused to fly the jets because they were in such poor condition, apparently, sand was everywhere(!), it took a week or so to get them to a point where the ferry crews would fly them!

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Re: Cairo's Gems Part II: Egyptian Airforce Museum

Post by Ghastly Whisper » Mon May 01, 2017 11:43 am

Dazza37 wrote:
herbert wrote:Was there any information indicating when the F-4s were withdrawn? A few years ago now.
Best estimate is 2011/12 but, it may have been earlier. Egyptian F-4E's apparently never had very good serviceability and when a number of them were ferried from Egypt to the US in 1994 for depot level overhaul, some of the ferry crews initially refused to fly the jets because they were in such poor condition, apparently, sand was everywhere(!), it took a week or so to get them to a point where the ferry crews would fly them!

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Post by Dazza37 » Mon May 01, 2017 4:06 pm

Ghastly Whisper wrote:Seem to remember one stuck at Lakenheath for a good few months
Yep, a pair diverted into Keflavik too, after one suffered an in-flight malfunction en route to the USA...

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Re: Cairo's Gems Part II: Egyptian Airforce Museum

Post by paddyboy » Mon May 01, 2017 4:17 pm

Hi Kev :P

You really do spoil us :whistle:

I am getting just a bit green-eyed at some of the 'frames you post for us :Wow:

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Re: Cairo's Gems Part II: Egyptian Airforce Museum

Post by Jazz » Mon May 01, 2017 4:44 pm

Cheers (and sorry) PB for replies to both parts :thumbs:

And Dazza/GW/Herbert, didn't the F-4E's use to go to Cherry Point for PDM/Upgrades? Rings a bell...
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Re: Cairo's Gems Part II: Egyptian Airforce Museum

Post by TonyO » Mon May 01, 2017 5:10 pm

Wonderful stuff, really well preserved as well. Had always wondered if this was open to the public after looking at it on Google Earth.

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Re: Cairo's Gems Part II: Egyptian Airforce Museum

Post by Jazz » Mon May 01, 2017 5:35 pm

...And i was still wondering when we pulled up at the gate. Big relief to get inside!
Asked the question, and not sure if lost in translation, but it may have been open to the public around a year now??
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Re: Cairo's Gems Part II: Egyptian Airforce Museum

Post by Phil Smith » Tue May 02, 2017 6:11 pm

Great set of shots. Was there a serial on the An2?
I stayed in a block of flats overlooking the airfield perimeter in 1983 for a couple of weeks visiting friends and (discretely) logged a lot of very interesting active and stored stuff. There was a base flight with the Wilgas (active) and a semi derelict AN2 (number 901), plus a goodly number of IL.14s stored in the western corner of the base near where we walked my friends dog (handy that!). On an awayday we came across four Mi.6s at Al Faiyum (not too far out in the desert from Cairo, so that might have been the source of the one in the collection as they didn't operate very many).
Your pictures took me right back, would have loved to have seen the Badger. they were based at Cairo West at the time apparently.
Looks like I'll have to have another visit!

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Re: Cairo's Gems Part II: Egyptian Airforce Museum

Post by Jazz » Tue May 02, 2017 6:34 pm

Cheers Phil, yes the An-2 is marked 950 (in Arabic).
Interesting info, i wish there was an ideal spot to lurk safely at there! A bit slow but anything that moves is :Wow:
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Post by Dazza37 » Tue May 02, 2017 11:25 pm

Jazz wrote:...didn't the F-4E's use to go to Cherry Point for PDM/Upgrades? Rings a bell...
I can't remember to be honest but, the following .pdf suggests you are correct... :D

http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm?fu ... ry&id=2090

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Post by Blue Diamond » Wed May 03, 2017 10:29 am

Interesting set. Something doesn't look quite right about that DH60 though, especially the undercarriage.
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Post by ST24 » Wed May 03, 2017 2:21 pm

Jazz wrote:Cheers (and sorry) PB for replies to both parts :thumbs:

And Dazza/GW/Herbert, didn't the F-4E's use to go to Cherry Point for PDM/Upgrades? Rings a bell...
Yep -saw 4 when I was there mid '90s.
Blue Diamond wrote:Interesting set. Something doesn't look quite right about that DH60 though, especially the undercarriage.
:D Everything looks wrong with that Tiger Moth! Looks like a school project with tube frame, old planks and cardboard boxes!

Fascinating place, a few dubious colours on the real stuff but some great types, particularly the Tu-16!

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Re: Cairo's Gems Part II: Egyptian Airforce Museum

Post by Jazz » Wed May 03, 2017 4:57 pm

Thanks chaps :thumb:

So the 'Moth' may well be a replica (and a dodgy one at that)!

Would anyone have info on the final EAF F-4's transiting through Europe after PDM in the US (around 1999-2000??).
Further to their retirement, i am told they were withdrawn from service in 2011, replaced by F-16C/D Block 40's.
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Re: Cairo's Gems Part II: Egyptian Airforce Museum

Post by willp1975 » Wed May 03, 2017 5:05 pm

Looks like a fantastic museum that is looking after the exhibits

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