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SDSR 2015

All discussion about the 2015 SDSR in here please.
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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by Agent K » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:37 pm

apgphoto wrote:The dedicated Voyager wont be one single aircraft, they will just insert a corporate config in to which ever aircraft is allocated, that's what meant by the term "refitting".
I think by refitting they mean a secure comms suite and associated infrastructure, I don't think this means seats, otherwise this could be done today across the fleet at minima cost. £10M is a lot just to fit seats as per the official statement quote as below:

"An RAF Voyager A330 air-to-air refuelling aircraft will be refitted at a cost of about £10m."

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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by page_verify » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:00 pm

Headlines of the SDSR now making the media following briefings today in preparation for Monday, Beeb and FT have good content. RAF should do well it seems.

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Re: SDSR 2015

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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by cfett75 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:09 pm

AvWeek has a good peice on the topic as well - nothing new in it, but still interesting.

http://aviationweek.com/blog/predicting ... umor-alert

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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by Spitfire88 » Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:53 pm

Reports on sky news that George Osborne is set to announce we are buying 138 f35s

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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by Thunder » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:07 pm

If true that would equate to about 8 Sqns an OCU, an OEU and enough frames left for 24 in reserve status.

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Post by Yunglee » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:10 pm

Looks like the SDSR 2015 news is hotting up. The Guardian have this from Friday http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -sdsr-2015

Mainly centred around reconnaissance aircraft and they are making the claim:

The MoD will look at a range of possible replacements for the Nimrod that will include the Airbus Military C295 and the Boeing P-8 Poseidon.

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Post by Thunder » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:24 pm

Yunglee wrote:Looks like the SDSR 2015 news is hotting up. The Guardian have this from Friday http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -sdsr-2015

Mainly centred around reconnaissance aircraft and they are making the claim:

The MoD will look at a range of possible replacements for the Nimrod that will include the Airbus Military C295 and the Boeing P-8 Poseidon.

I would say that any replacement for MPA, has already been settled on.

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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by ColintheCaterpillar » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:32 pm

That was said last year though, with the Secretary of State for Defence rumoured to be very close to making a decision to acquire/buy P-8 ASAP before the election purdah period. Oddly enough, he suddenly to promoted to Foreign Sec!

I'm not sure the current SoS Is primed to make a big call to buy an expensive type without an open competition. I hope I'm wrong though.

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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by Wingman_90 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:03 am

So with 138 F-35s, and assuming that around 30 Tranche 1 Typhoons remain in service as is expected, here's how our future combat aircraft numbers look:

30 Tranche 1 Typhoon + 67 Tranche 2 Typhoon + 40 Tranche 3 Typhoon + 138 F-35 = 275


Obviously that's far better than the previous plan:

67 Tranche 2 Typhoon + 40 Tranche 3 Typhoon + 48 F-35 = 155


So if all the rumours are true, that will mean an extra 120 combat aircraft, plus a new fleet of MPAs, plus 20 new Reapers - fair to say the RAF will have done well in this SDSR!

I wouldn't be surprised if the number of MFTS aircraft need to be increased now too.
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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by welshandy » Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:10 pm

This on the BBC today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34893614

24 F35's by 2023 on the Carriers(committed to buying 138 in the long term). Also mentions 18 for training/maintenance so is that 24 +18 = 42 by 2023??

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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by thorny1a » Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:53 pm

I'd say that 138 in the long term is verrrrrrrrry long term, i.e. start replacing the older typhoons with f-35a by the late 2020's?

Time will tell as they say!

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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by Wingman_90 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:51 pm

Now confirmed via Cameron himself:

Two extra Typhoon squadrons, an additional F-35 squadron, nine MPAs, and some high-altitude long-endurance surveillance drones (presumably the Airbus Zephyr).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ls-it.html

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Edit:

The Telegraph are also reporting here that the nine MPAs will be P-8s.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... rists.html
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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by Thunder » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:57 pm

How many F-35 Sqds would that be in total , as I thought it was initially two and now mention of this third?

If so and with the 18 a/c for training, and basing a Sqd on 18 jets, that only comes to 72 jets, where do the remaining 66 jets go?

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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by Wingman_90 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:00 am

I assume he means an additional F-35 squadron by the time the two carriers come into service - with more to come later.
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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by Gary » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:12 am

Just a quick request

Today when the SDSR is announced, rather than everyone replying to this thread can people use the specif threads for the each topic. Or this thread will become a nightmare to monitor and read. General SDSR chat in this thread


Typhoon discussion

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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by Harkins » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:04 am

So the news so far suggests 9 P-8's to be based at Lossiemouth starting from 2020. Two more Typhoon squadrons (possibly 19 and 43 - bases unknown) through 'life extension' with no dates as yet.

Will we, as the day goes on get any further details? I'd like to hear something about air transport - will any C-130's survive seeing as the special forces are getting extra funding and these two 'new' rapid strike reaction brigades thingies will presumably need the transport to get them and their Ajax APC's into whatever theatre they're being rapidly deployed to?

And there was talk of the Sentry's getting the chop earlier in this thread. Could there be any news either way on that?

And perhaps some further detail about the fate of the Tornado fleet. As we're on the cusp of joining in in Syria, surely the Tornado will be required to soldier on longer still?

Presumably there will be some more precise information on the two carriers and the F-35's later today too?

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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by Surfrdan » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:13 am

Harkins wrote: Two more Typhoon squadrons (possibly 19 and 43 - bases unknown)
Where did you get that from? I understood that Reserve squadrons went to the back of the queue when dishing out new assignments. Thus 21 and 23 would be the next in numerical order but I'm sure there are other factors such as historic significance.

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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by Harkins » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:20 am

I read it on the 'other' forum. It was said with such certainty I believed it, but I confess there was no source given so I probably shouldn't have mentioned it here.

Regarding the choice of squadrons, I asked the question and was told this;
Mainly factored on squadron age and historical value. 19 Squadron being a low number, a Battle of Britain squadron and being frontline for much of it's life gives it president over, for example, 74 Squadron. When 216 Squadron was disbanded last year, they knew that the numberplate would likely never come back so the standard wasn't 'laid up' at RAF Cranwell whereas other disbanded units do, until they are stood up. There are plenty of numberplates to choose from but now with less and less fast-jet squadrons (and squadrons in general) the likelyhood of high-numbered squadrons with juicy markings (eg 74/111 etc) coming back is getting lower and lower.

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Re: SDSR 2015

Post by RubyRoo » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:59 am

Does anyone know what time Dave will actually make the speech in the House?

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