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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by paddyboy » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:48 am

Hi TC :P

'Tri-plane Gauntlet' :lol:

That's a 'WHIF' if ever I heard one ;)

Keep us informed

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by PaulN » Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:01 am

Good lucK with this one :clap:

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by tc2324 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:27 pm

Well, with the kiddies now on their summer break, trying to get to the plastic and resin and white metal has been a challenge and quite slow, let alone surfing the various forums I frequent.

Of course I`m looking forward to spending a bit of quality time with the kids, but the modeler inside of me is quite looking forward to the 2nd week in September as well.

So what`s been done?

Well I`ve done as much of the cockpit as I`m going to do and pre painted the prop, wheels and some of the tail.

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Did I use all the white metal parts for the cockpit interior?

Well..., no.

Cockpits are not really my `thing` and I try to do a reasonable representation so that nothing looks really out of place.

But the other factor involved is quite simply how much of the interior would you see......?

.... not much.

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So why add to the growing spread of grey hair with bits no one will see when the bits everyone will see are going to cause a bit of stress in them selves.

More soon.... ish!

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by steve149c » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:59 pm

Nice job TC - couldn't agree more in cockpits - loads of work and not really seen!
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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by paddyboy » Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:10 am

Hi TC :P

Coming along nicely :thumb:

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by tc2324 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:25 am

Cheers guys. :)

As with all limited run kits, it`s taking some time to put together, but here`s where I`m at with it right now.

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by paddyboy » Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:29 am

Hi TC :P

:pop: :pop: :pop:

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by tc2324 » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:45 am

Thanks Patrick. :)

Slow but steady progress......

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.... I assembled the engine components and then gave them a coat of black gloss. Once dry I found that if I handled the engine a few times the black wore away and gave it a slight metallic look. From what I can tell by pictures of 74`s Gauntlet`s, the engines appear black`ish so hopefully it`s a good representation.

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by PaulN » Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:38 pm

TC

Engine looks good :thumbs:

What silver do you use for the overall finish :S

Keep going

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by paddyboy » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:52 pm

Hi TC :P

As Paul says, great engine job :thumb:

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by tc2324 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:30 am

Thanks guys. :)

Paul, I used Humbrol rattle can silver for the main painting and using Revell silver tin enamel for any touch ups.

This way also adds to the overall effect of a well used Gauntlet making it look a little `patchy`.

Now starting to actually look like a Gauntlet.

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by PaulN » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:42 pm

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Works OK :thumbs:

Coming along in leaps and bounds now :thumbs:

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by tc2324 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:02 pm

As you know, I was searching for easier ways to complete the rigging.

So if rigging is putting you off bi-plane building, read on.

In the past, like Ken in his thread previously, I used EZ Line.

This was all well and good but I personally went through a lot of the stuff due to my impatience, failure to bond the stuff correctly and general :bang: which was all down to me of course.

I needed something easier.

Step forward Albion Alloys Round Nickel Silver Rod 0.2mm.

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Now this stuff is rigid but still retains a level of flexibility.

All you do is cut a section off, (always remembering to cut off a bit more than you actually need), and trim it to fit.

With a pair of tweezers, take hold of the middle of the cut section and dip each end in super glue.

Then fit in place.

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I little bit more stress free I think.

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by paddyboy » Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:14 pm

Hi TC :P

We (I) are not worthy :D

Keep it up, buddy ;)

Very best regards

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by tc2324 » Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:12 pm

A quick update on the rigging.....

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Taking it slow with a couple of bits done each day mainly when the sprogs allow me to do it.

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by tc2324 » Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:29 pm

I`m in the process of building a MiG-3 for a GB on another forum and as soon as that is over, I`m starting on this......,

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First a bit of background.

Now for all you who think the 74 Sqn schemes are pretty much standard, when it came to the Demon, it was anything but.

Back in 1935, Mussolini threatened to occupy Abyssinia and in response to this the British set up what was known as `The Demon Flight`. A number of aircraft, airman and pilot`s were pooled from various squadron`s and sent on their way to Malta in secrecy. Their mission quite simply was to defend Malta from any Italian aggression.

Once there, the aircraft were unloaded by the 16th September and within 48 hours 8 aircraft were declared operational. On the 14th November the Air Ministry informed the Demon Flight that they were to be known hence fourth as No 74 Sqn. The Tigers were back.

Camouflaging the aircraft had began back in October using locally available dopes and the design was an experimental one which had evolved from the days of WWI and had the full backing from RAE at Farnborough who were looking at various schemes to `decrease visibility of aircraft from above`.

The deployment at Malta had given them a perfect excuse to test the effect these schemes could produce.

Earlier this year at the 74 Sqn reunion dinner this very subject was of great interest as Dr Micheal Crow was a guest of honour. (His father was 74`s CO in Malta flying the Demon`s). He had brought his father`s private cine film of that time with unique footage of the Demon`s. (At some point this film will be able to be viewed on the 74 website).

Bob Cossey and I studied the footage and came to the conclusion that at least 4 colours were used. This is the only decent profile I could find.

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Now I`ve learnt not to trust profiles too much as this is someones representation of their research and sometimes they can get it wrong. With the latter aircraft 74 used, I have access to aircrew and ground crew who were there if I need something confirmed. However with the Demon flights, this isn`t the case. But judging by the following picture, I quite happy that this profile is reasonable correct.

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You can just make out the 4 colours used.

As for if the camo scheme was effective.......,

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....., ok, it`s in black and white but I`d say it pretty much was. Also note the various positions of the roundels on the upper wings to add more disorientation to the effect. Probably designed along similar lines to the painted on cockpit`s on the underneath of jets today.

Anyway, so that`s what I`m going with and as for the kit itself...,

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.... plastic, metal and etch.

Should be fun.

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by paddyboy » Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:23 pm

Hi TC :P

That scheme is certainly 'in your face' :lol:

Keep us posted ;)

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by tc2324 » Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:17 pm

Been gaining some more info on the camo issue the last day or so as the profile in the previous post may be inconsistent with written files. But more on that later.

As for the build, well while the written instructions are ok and easy to follow, I`m going to build this in my own way so that it will be easier to paint when the time comes.

Got the frame work in....,

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.... and as is usual for me I added a few bits and bobs like the trim wheels but didn`t go overboard as you won`t see any of it.

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And finally put the top on.....,

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Had a couple of issues, one being the fuselage halfs being warped which then had a knock on effect when trying to add the top section. But overall not so bad and this is the worst bit over.

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by paddyboy » Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:03 am

Hi TC :P

Nice progress there ;)

'Added a 'few' bits and bobs' :lol:

Since when could you add just a few ;)

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Re: tc`s 74 Sqn `upgrade to 1/48` Project

Post by tc2324 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:01 pm

.... and so on to the next update on the Demon.

Now I`ve spent a long time going over the colour schemes applied to 74`s Demon`s and it seems to be a controversial, albeit polite, issue on some modelling forums. We can say for sure that the profile I posted previously is probably incorrect in most part.

I have received a number of official documents dated 1935/6 with a number of pictures, some of which have been `tinted` to show off the various colours used during the camouflage trials at the time. However I also noted that there were some inconsistencies between the tinted photo`s and the untinted ones.

I can tell you that the sqn records state that local colour dopes were used and the scheme was based on the `salamander` type from WWI. Other official reports from the sqn to the Air Ministry state they included green/grey and brown. Note that it says green/grey and not green and grey. (was this a mix of colours or a typo??). We also know that Dark Earth was mixed with red dope to replicate the `Malta soil`.

So what conclusion have I come to?

Well the simple answer is, I just don`t know. I can neither confirm or deny in exact detail what colour dopes were used in which way with any certainty.

So my next best guess is that various schemes and colourings were applied to the Demon`s as part of the experimental trials set out by the RAE. It is highly likely that over time the colours changed to better suit the environment as one colour tone proved more successful than the previous.

So here`s what I`ve come up with based on what the Demon`s may of looked like during the first trials. Bare in mind also the photo`s are bright, it`s not quite finished painting yet and as usual, the varnish finish will deepen the shades. I mixed dark earth with red to create the `rust` colour and it is my belief that this shade was mainly used on the fuselage.

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