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RIAT 2020 Cancelled
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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2020 Discussion Thread
Far too early to say about cancellation. If Covid 19 is still around at beginning of June, then maybe thats the time for decisions like that to be made. In the meantime 'stay calm and carry on'
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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2020 Discussion Thread
I think you're talking absolute rubbish. This issue will be over by end of May.Headancer wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:46 pmI think its pretty much nailed on that RIAT will be cancelled given what's happening in other countries regarding large gathering etc.
Personally i cannot envisage a situation where Germany Spain Italy etc send aircrews to the show.
Even thought 90% is open air there are various choke point re queues, marquees etc.
It also throws up a number of issues going forward.
The trustees of the Charitable Enterprises pay salaried staff those staff also cover concerts etc which will also be cancelled, with no income one wonders whether we can actually retain the Infrastructure and pay staff to effectivly do nothing for another 18 months. Will they be kept on. I doubt it.
There will inevitably also be the question of refunds. Whilst I might be happy to simply use my ticket money as a donation others may be less interested. What happens there and also to sponsor/advertising monies.
Thoughts ?
Italy sadly are over-reacting to the virus. It's not as bad as the Flu or Common Cold. The Cheltenham Festival is taking place right now and will see just as many visitors as racegoers attend the meeting.
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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2020 Discussion Thread
Italy overreacting? It’s killed 827 people there in a very short space of time. Hardly overreacting to be honest. I too think we’ll be over the worst of it by May but to say other countries are overreacting and thinking it’s not as bad as a cold is naive at best.TomTwin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:26 pmI think you're talking absolute rubbish. This issue will be over by end of May.Headancer wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:46 pmI think its pretty much nailed on that RIAT will be cancelled given what's happening in other countries regarding large gathering etc.
Personally i cannot envisage a situation where Germany Spain Italy etc send aircrews to the show.
Even thought 90% is open air there are various choke point re queues, marquees etc.
It also throws up a number of issues going forward.
The trustees of the Charitable Enterprises pay salaried staff those staff also cover concerts etc which will also be cancelled, with no income one wonders whether we can actually retain the Infrastructure and pay staff to effectivly do nothing for another 18 months. Will they be kept on. I doubt it.
There will inevitably also be the question of refunds. Whilst I might be happy to simply use my ticket money as a donation others may be less interested. What happens there and also to sponsor/advertising monies.
Thoughts ?
Italy sadly are over-reacting to the virus. It's not as bad as the Flu or Common Cold. The Cheltenham Festival is taking place right now and will see just as many visitors as racegoers attend the meeting.
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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2020 Discussion Thread
Italy is probably doing the right thing TBH. Its a case of putting the brakes on the spread.A measured response is what is required. If that means stopping public gatherings for a while then so be it. No need to over dramatise it.
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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2020 Discussion Thread
I think YOU are talking about rubbish! No it's not as bad, it's actually worse if you read the numbers!! Italy has a mortality rate of 6.6% and the world's mortality rate is 3.59%. Which is much worse than the flu. Over by the end of may hahaha some people really don't surprise me.TomTwin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:26 pmI think you're talking absolute rubbish. This issue will be over by end of May.Headancer wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:46 pmI think its pretty much nailed on that RIAT will be cancelled given what's happening in other countries regarding large gathering etc.
Personally i cannot envisage a situation where Germany Spain Italy etc send aircrews to the show.
Even thought 90% is open air there are various choke point re queues, marquees etc.
It also throws up a number of issues going forward.
The trustees of the Charitable Enterprises pay salaried staff those staff also cover concerts etc which will also be cancelled, with no income one wonders whether we can actually retain the Infrastructure and pay staff to effectivly do nothing for another 18 months. Will they be kept on. I doubt it.
There will inevitably also be the question of refunds. Whilst I might be happy to simply use my ticket money as a donation others may be less interested. What happens there and also to sponsor/advertising monies.
Thoughts ?
Italy sadly are over-reacting to the virus. It's not as bad as the Flu or Common Cold. The Cheltenham Festival is taking place right now and will see just as many visitors as racegoers attend the meeting.
We had 80 cases this time last week, now 460. Says a lot in itself.
Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2020 Discussion Thread
Italy are for sure 'on the case' & their containment protocol seems to be slowing the number of new cases. Clearly, just like the delayed effects of floods oop North days after rainfall, the death rate will continue rising for a while after the new cases decline.
In the interim the UK would do well to mimic China & Australia in restricting incoming visitors from virus hotspots, allied to leaving any UK travellers stoopid enough to travel out out to those hotspots right where they are! I can't be the only person that knows of several people that went to or via Northern Italy to avoid losing their Ski-trip....bless them!
In the interim the UK would do well to mimic China & Australia in restricting incoming visitors from virus hotspots, allied to leaving any UK travellers stoopid enough to travel out out to those hotspots right where they are! I can't be the only person that knows of several people that went to or via Northern Italy to avoid losing their Ski-trip....bless them!
Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2020 Discussion Thread
How many of died of Flu in the same time?Campbell89 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:30 pmItaly overreacting? It’s killed 827 people there in a very short space of time. Hardly overreacting to be honest. I too think we’ll be over the worst of it by May but to say other countries are overreacting and thinking it’s not as bad as a cold is naive at best.TomTwin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:26 pmI think you're talking absolute rubbish. This issue will be over by end of May.Headancer wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:46 pmI think its pretty much nailed on that RIAT will be cancelled given what's happening in other countries regarding large gathering etc.
Personally i cannot envisage a situation where Germany Spain Italy etc send aircrews to the show.
Even thought 90% is open air there are various choke point re queues, marquees etc.
It also throws up a number of issues going forward.
The trustees of the Charitable Enterprises pay salaried staff those staff also cover concerts etc which will also be cancelled, with no income one wonders whether we can actually retain the Infrastructure and pay staff to effectivly do nothing for another 18 months. Will they be kept on. I doubt it.
There will inevitably also be the question of refunds. Whilst I might be happy to simply use my ticket money as a donation others may be less interested. What happens there and also to sponsor/advertising monies.
Thoughts ?
Italy sadly are over-reacting to the virus. It's not as bad as the Flu or Common Cold. The Cheltenham Festival is taking place right now and will see just as many visitors as racegoers attend the meeting.
Also, 14,000 die every DAY due to Hunger. Perspective here. It’s not as bad as people think.
Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2020 Discussion Thread
Please see my post above this.James Cutting wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:29 pmI think YOU are talking about rubbish! No it's not as bad, it's actually worse if you read the numbers!! Italy has a mortality rate of 6.6% and the world's mortality rate is 3.59%. Which is much worse than the flu. Over by the end of may hahaha some people really don't surprise me.TomTwin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:26 pmI think you're talking absolute rubbish. This issue will be over by end of May.Headancer wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:46 pmI think its pretty much nailed on that RIAT will be cancelled given what's happening in other countries regarding large gathering etc.
Personally i cannot envisage a situation where Germany Spain Italy etc send aircrews to the show.
Even thought 90% is open air there are various choke point re queues, marquees etc.
It also throws up a number of issues going forward.
The trustees of the Charitable Enterprises pay salaried staff those staff also cover concerts etc which will also be cancelled, with no income one wonders whether we can actually retain the Infrastructure and pay staff to effectivly do nothing for another 18 months. Will they be kept on. I doubt it.
There will inevitably also be the question of refunds. Whilst I might be happy to simply use my ticket money as a donation others may be less interested. What happens there and also to sponsor/advertising monies.
Thoughts ?
Italy sadly are over-reacting to the virus. It's not as bad as the Flu or Common Cold. The Cheltenham Festival is taking place right now and will see just as many visitors as racegoers attend the meeting.
We had 80 cases this time last week, now 460. Says a lot in itself.
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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2020 Discussion Thread
Given the current talk by the Govt to push to peak of the outbreak into the summer, there must surely be a possibility it'll be cancelled. I know Cheltenham went ahead this week but a lot of people were critical and it may well have consequences.
Either if it does go ahead I can't see many overseas air forces sending much if anything. As for foreign punters well who here is contemplating a trip to any of the European shows? I for one have quietly shelved my plans for any trips overseas this year.
Either if it does go ahead I can't see many overseas air forces sending much if anything. As for foreign punters well who here is contemplating a trip to any of the European shows? I for one have quietly shelved my plans for any trips overseas this year.
Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2020 Discussion Thread
Over in a few weeks....?
WORDS FAIL.
The amount of planning that goes into RIAT is immense. Decisions will be made based on what is happening in the real world ie NOW not 5 months hence.
I would suggest its inconceivable that any air arms are planning to come over. I suspect the taps have been well and truly turned off in terms of acceptances.
That then leads to the forward booking of security, marquees, buses, coaches, catering , sanitary etc The organisers are not going to take a hit on booking these with a very real doubt that the show will go ahead. There may even be an ethical question mark over continuing to take bookings ?
WORDS FAIL.
The amount of planning that goes into RIAT is immense. Decisions will be made based on what is happening in the real world ie NOW not 5 months hence.
I would suggest its inconceivable that any air arms are planning to come over. I suspect the taps have been well and truly turned off in terms of acceptances.
That then leads to the forward booking of security, marquees, buses, coaches, catering , sanitary etc The organisers are not going to take a hit on booking these with a very real doubt that the show will go ahead. There may even be an ethical question mark over continuing to take bookings ?
Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2020 Discussion Thread
Today's update 12/03
We were extremely pleased to received confirmation from the Swedish Air Force that they will be sending two aircraft for static display at RIAT 2020 as part of our Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance theme at the show. The appearance of the Argus & Korpen, both operated by 7th Transport and Special Air Unit, at the Air Tattoo should be warmly welcomed by aviation enthusiasts as an extremely rare chance to see these impressive aircraft outside of Sweden.
Following our discussions with Belgian Air Force representatives at the European Airshow Council Convention earlier this month, we're now able to confirm that their F-16 Solo Display will be performing at RIAT 2020. The 'Dark Falcon' jet is currently undergoing some minor modifications to the paint scheme ahead of the 2020 display season, which will be the last year flown by demo pilot 'Vador'. One of their Embraer 135 transport aircraft will also be on static display at the show.
As well as being in discussions with the Pakistan Air Force, we have now also received information that the Pakistan Navy are interesting in sending an aircraft to RIAT 2020. We are in communication and exploring the possibilities with them. If our discussions come to fruition, this will be their first time participating with aircraft at the Air Tattoo since 2008, when they sent a P-3C Orion for static display.
Posh are going to Wembley (albeit for a tin cup)
Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2020 Discussion Thread
Fantastic update today
For me in regards to coronavirus there is no point speculating what is/what isn't going to happen, me personally I am not worried about it. I am quite sure it will all be over once Riat comes round.
For me in regards to coronavirus there is no point speculating what is/what isn't going to happen, me personally I am not worried about it. I am quite sure it will all be over once Riat comes round.
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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2020 Discussion Thread
Well 99% of scientists say otherwise...Cases are constantly rising, as are the deaths, it doesn't just become "all over".
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Czechs have declined and the Swedes are sending statics this year.....means no Gripen jets
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How appropriate, coming from a "grim reapers supporter"...
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Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2020 Discussion Thread
I'm an optimistJames Cutting wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:57 pmWell 99% of scientists say otherwise...Cases are constantly rising, as are the deaths, it doesn't just become "all over".
Re: Royal International Air Tattoo 2020 Discussion Thread
jasonT1981 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:50 pmUSAF Heritage flight confirmed. F16 & P51
https://www.airforceheritageflight.org/ ... -schedule/
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Cool.jasonT1981 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:50 pmUSAF Heritage flight confirmed. F16 & P51
https://www.airforceheritageflight.org/ ... -schedule/
This together with the swedes today makes a good day.
The cancellation of Frisian Flag in the netherlands made my day bad, though...
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