The airspace requirement for the Reds used to be 5nm radius and up to around 7,000 feet. I've been out of it long enough to forget the detail, and I'm not hooked into the modern Notam system, so please don't rely on my figures. Others on here may be able to give accurate and up to date information on this.Agent K wrote: ↑Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:47 amIs it really vast amounts of airspace they need, surely they need airspace from the ground to say 12,000ft? Having lived in Yorkshire for my younger life next to RAF Leeming I'd suggest a lot of that Yorkshire airspace wouldn't suit the needs (lack of clear centreline/runway, hilly, foggy, rainy, not flat etc.)DaleRFU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:21 amI remember a while ago that with a new typhoon squadron standing up at Coningsby that the bbmf might of relocated to scampton, (if there was any truth in that I don't know) I guess they will not be moving there if it's closing.
Leering would be my choice (not that I get one) for the Reds given the vast amount of airspace around North Yorkshire especially with Linton closing down.
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Red Arrows RAF Scampton air base to be sold off
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How about boscombe down
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Plenty of room at Lossie and they could even practice over the runways at Kinloss, it's a no brainer.
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On Look North earlier it said it costs £9million a year to run the RAFAT or was I hearing things??
Guys could this not be money spent elsewhere I.e on our new Tempest Project!!!!
Guys could this not be money spent elsewhere I.e on our new Tempest Project!!!!
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£9million if that is the figure is small change. It probably cost the MoD twice that to come up with the "Tempest" name for their new project.
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So if HHA relocate does that mean we're going to see the Buccaneer and SU-22 they've been storing so that: "The aircraft, its systems and spares are maintained in such a condition that it can readily be reactivated to flight status, should a contractual tasking arise" take to the skies again?
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Spitfire250. More chance of me swimming around the world than THAT happening. CAA would not sanction it, as both would come under the heading of 'complex'.
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Realistically, I think this would be VERY high on the list for where the Reds would re-locate to. We shall see...
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Re: Red Arrows RAF Scampton air base to be sold off
5nm radius from surface to 9,500ft at Scampton. Base of controlled airspace over the top limits it from being any higher.Drinkmat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:58 pmThe airspace requirement for the Reds used to be 5nm radius and up to around 7,000 feet. I've been out of it long enough to forget the detail, and I'm not hooked into the modern Notam system, so please don't rely on my figures. Others on here may be able to give accurate and up to date information on this.Agent K wrote: ↑Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:47 amIs it really vast amounts of airspace they need, surely they need airspace from the ground to say 12,000ft? Having lived in Yorkshire for my younger life next to RAF Leeming I'd suggest a lot of that Yorkshire airspace wouldn't suit the needs (lack of clear centreline/runway, hilly, foggy, rainy, not flat etc.)DaleRFU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:21 amI remember a while ago that with a new typhoon squadron standing up at Coningsby that the bbmf might of relocated to scampton, (if there was any truth in that I don't know) I guess they will not be moving there if it's closing.
Leering would be my choice (not that I get one) for the Reds given the vast amount of airspace around North Yorkshire especially with Linton closing down.
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With regards to SMEs, is there a BAES presence at Scampton? Rolls-Royce's Adour facility is at Valley.
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Interesting, yes, I'm not 100% sure either but my friend who is a current ATCO at Swanwick did, if I recall correctly, say to me a few years ago she gave 6000ft for the rolling display and 12,000ft for the full display. I'll ask her again.Drinkmat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:58 pmThe airspace requirement for the Reds used to be 5nm radius and up to around 7,000 feet. I've been out of it long enough to forget the detail, and I'm not hooked into the modern Notam system, so please don't rely on my figures. Others on here may be able to give accurate and up to date information on this.
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HHA operate under MAA rules hence that's why they were still flying Hunters when the CAA had grounded them.
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Buccaneer is the only aircraft on the civil register, I believe.
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Re - Fairford I rather think inflexible nature of USAF ops there [bomber deployments/U2 swapovers] becoming more constraining as activity increases and base becomes fully operational again [2021] with RC135's etc. means its totally incompatible with Reds needs [ notwithstanding the airspace conflicts mentioned by the Luxton's earlier post].
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There is a notam for a red arrows display at raf coningsby tomorrow and that says 6nm radius and upper height limit of 8100ftAgent K wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:53 amInteresting, yes, I'm not 100% sure either but my friend who is a current ATCO at Swanwick did, if I recall correctly, say to me a few years ago she gave 6000ft for the rolling display and 12,000ft for the full display. I'll ask her again.Drinkmat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:58 pmThe airspace requirement for the Reds used to be 5nm radius and up to around 7,000 feet. I've been out of it long enough to forget the detail, and I'm not hooked into the modern Notam system, so please don't rely on my figures. Others on here may be able to give accurate and up to date information on this.
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Clearly she built in contingency!!!!!!!! or I remember wrongly....stealth117 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:48 am
There is a notam for a red arrows display at raf coningsby tomorrow and that says 6nm radius and upper height limit of 8100ft
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My thoughts exactly F4..
If you can keep your head whilst all around are losing theirs, you have probably completely misread the situation!!
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Nothing is for ever. As the Armed Forces shrink certain things, like bands, pilot training, training bases are centralised. But eventually you run out of new cost saving wheezes. The prime function is defence, with industry interests being taken into account. Eventually there might well come a point where the Reds end; they are not a given, they have to compete against other priorities. Would we really miss the Reds? Would real squadrons benefit from demonstrating their skills? Mo doubt this view will be upsetting, but life moves on.
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The thing that I don't understand is that almost every day we read about the relations with Russian souring, the expansionist views of Russian etc...
We keep closing all of these bases & centralising resources into fewer & fewer locations, What's the saying about not putting all one's eggs in one basket.
What position are we in now should the US want to station some extra squadrons over here ? I know Lakenheath is expanding for the F35, Fairford is getting the RC's from Mildenhall & a tanker deployment etc.
We keep closing all of these bases & centralising resources into fewer & fewer locations, What's the saying about not putting all one's eggs in one basket.
What position are we in now should the US want to station some extra squadrons over here ? I know Lakenheath is expanding for the F35, Fairford is getting the RC's from Mildenhall & a tanker deployment etc.
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