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Sorry about this .Been watching a couple games up here after VAR and think a visually /hearing impaired piece of wood could do the job better.Last week a Dundee united player went for a ball and the ref saw nothing wrong even though the opponent went down screaming .VAR which is supposedly for circumstances where goals and offsides are debatable got invloved.They decided that the ref should look and the united player was sent off.If there was any contact it must have been as light as the touch of my wage in the account before the wife got to it.Today in the Celtic v Dundee united game a ball was crossed into the box by a United player it went over the heads of most players in the box but Steven Fletcher headed it back into the box.It hit a Celtic players hand and Var said check followed by penalty.The offending player was still in the air from his attempt to clear the ball and his back was to the header so he had no idea where the ball was,yet the ref again followed VAR .Pundits on TV said by the letter of the law the arm was in an unnatural position.If a guy behind you hits you with the ball from behind what chance do you have.There were more issues in both games but I just wondered if you had the same problems when it came in in England or is it just our referees are still crap.Looks like up here arms and legs will have to be strapped to the body and players roll about on the ground to get the ball.Then again will have to go.A bit of last nights Aberdeen match has just come on.Yet again ref bows to var.Our refs now have no bottle.Ref thought corner var suggested penalty keeper saved it var comes back says keeper not on line so retake and goal.A var suggested penalty the ref must have been nearest to goalkeeper so should have stood by his decision.Forgot to add the first offence /red card was rescinded on appeal but the team played with 10 men ater a var/ref mistake is that fair ?

Yes the English Premier league has the same problems with VAR. Too many inconsistent decisions.

Welcome to the wonderful world of weird decisions courtesy of VAR

In a similar vein, the TMO in rugby union matches leads to repeated shots of action which years ago would have been judged by the ref& touch judges and the game moved on.

I suppose we should be grateful that television allows us to watch events previously denied to us

VAR is fine (the technology). It's the incompetent officials that ruin it.

I was at the Wales v All Blacks match yesterday, Justin Tipuric scored, the ref (Wayne Barnes, very experienced) was right next to him and awarded the try, an All Blacks player questioned it so off to VAR, it took a while, to the cheers of fans watching the replays on the big screens until finally the try was awarded, in my opinion Barnes should just have awarded the try, he was right on top of it, and told the All Blacks player "it's a try" end of, in Nigel Owens mode, I'm in charge, not you.
VAR does have its merits no doubt but needs common sense to go hand in hand with it..

Condor68 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:17 pm

Sorry about this .Been watching a couple games up here after VAR and think a visually /hearing impaired piece of wood could do the job better.Last week a Dundee united player went for a ball and the ref saw nothing wrong even though the opponent went down screaming .VAR which is supposedly for circumstances where goals and offsides are debatable got invloved.They decided that the ref should look and the united player was sent off.If there was any contact it must have been as light as the touch of my wage in the account before the wife got to it.Today in the Celtic v Dundee united game a ball was crossed into the box by a United player it went over the heads of most players in the box but Steven Fletcher headed it back into the box.It hit a Celtic players hand and Var said check followed by penalty.The offending player was still in the air from his attempt to clear the ball and his back was to the header so he had no idea where the ball was,yet the ref again followed VAR .Pundits on TV said by the letter of the law the arm was in an unnatural position.If a guy behind you hits you with the ball from behind what chance do you have.There were more issues in both games but I just wondered if you had the same problems when it came in in England or is it just our referees are still crap.Looks like up here arms and legs will have to be strapped to the body and players roll about on the ground to get the ball.Then again will have to go.A bit of last nights Aberdeen match has just come on.Yet again ref bows to var.Our refs now have no bottle.Ref thought corner var suggested penalty keeper saved it var comes back says keeper not on line so retake and goal.A var suggested penalty the ref must have been nearest to goalkeeper so should have stood by his decision.Forgot to add the first offence /red card was rescinded on appeal but the team played with 10 men ater a var/ref mistake is that fair ?

Who cares about Dundee United? Could not happen to a better team

In Rugby union the number of wrong decisions made by refs has declined. They used to guess or exercise the benefit of the doubt for tries before the 4th official.
It’s here to stay, they just need to speed up the reviews and decision making.

I think all var decisions, whether football, rugby or cricket, should have a 30 second rule. It’s supposed to correct obvious errors, but if you need 5 minutes, 36 different angles, and an electron microscope to decide if a decision was wrong, it clearly wasn’t, and the onfield decision should remain.

Condor68 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:17 pm

Sorry about this .Been watching a couple games up here after VAR and think a visually /hearing impaired piece of wood could do the job better.Last week a Dundee united player went for a ball and the ref saw nothing wrong even though the opponent went down screaming .VAR which is supposedly for circumstances where goals and offsides are debatable got invloved.They decided that the ref should look and the united player was sent off.If there was any contact it must have been as light as the touch of my wage in the account before the wife got to it.Today in the Celtic v Dundee united game a ball was crossed into the box by a United player it went over the heads of most players in the box but Steven Fletcher headed it back into the box.It hit a Celtic players hand and Var said check followed by penalty.The offending player was still in the air from his attempt to clear the ball and his back was to the header so he had no idea where the ball was,yet the ref again followed VAR .Pundits on TV said by the letter of the law the arm was in an unnatural position.If a guy behind you hits you with the ball from behind what chance do you have.There were more issues in both games but I just wondered if you had the same problems when it came in in England or is it just our referees are still crap.Looks like up here arms and legs will have to be strapped to the body and players roll about on the ground to get the ball.Then again will have to go.A bit of last nights Aberdeen match has just come on.Yet again ref bows to var.Our refs now have no bottle.Ref thought corner var suggested penalty keeper saved it var comes back says keeper not on line so retake and goal.A var suggested penalty the ref must have been nearest to goalkeeper so should have stood by his decision.Forgot to add the first offence /red card was rescinded on appeal but the team played with 10 men ater a var/ref mistake is that fair ?

As the resident Arab in here, i was at the game v Motherwell where their pantomime villain, our Tony Watt was sent off. With the usual caveats, we had quite a good view of the incident, saw the ball nudged away, and watched our Tony spin away from the challenge. Brother Beaton paused, obviously replayed it in his head again and moved on. Its gone to a review, they have made their decision on a still picture apparently, and sent the guy off only for it to be overturned after multiple angles were looked at. Strangely, first comment i saw to say it was never a booking, never mind a sending off came from a Hearts fan and followed up by comments in support of his view from many other team supporters.

Looking at the highlights from the penalty incident at Ceptic, i will take a decision like that every day of the week as its about time us lesser teams benefited from incidents like that! Seriously though, the defender has gone up to attack the ball, used his whole body and arms to unsuccessfully create the torque to powerfully clear the ball. Next stop for the ball was square on Fletchers napper who headed for goal, only for the ball to hit the defenders trailing arm. By the letter of the law that has been created, its a penalty, but a really harsh one!

Did the ball travel a great distance? Arguably a body and a half width of the defender?
Was the arm in an un-natural position? Arguably no because to create the power to clear the ball, thats where the arm ends up!
Was it deliberate? Couldnt be because the defender could not have seen the ball and known it was about to hit his trailing arm behind his back!
Did it affect the outcome of the game? No chance because we are doomed!

Thing is though, that is only 2 weekends where VAR has been in place in Scotland, and its gonna take a number of years to get to the same place as other countries, and the controversy is never gonna go away as us fans always have a skewered view of every incident. As England has been mentioned, it is well documented that there have been many contentious decisions made with VAR, and i usually agree with the pundits. Every so often though, and i go to 2 specific incidents where players have gone into a challenge, take the ball and sent the man into next week, and while the letter of the law said its a red, i look at those incidents and pick up a clear slip that takes the control away from the aggression which i think should be taken into consideration in mitigation. One key incident for me over the weekend in England was an attacker running past the keeper is caught by a hand, review decision was penalty. However, for me the attacker had already lost his balance and the keeper did not get enough pressure on the leg to pull said attacker down.

And while i say i am willing to give VAR time to bed in up here, i also think it has been rushed in, and in some cases i have seen offside determinations made from ground level and behind the play. Things like this can and must be sorted before it can be trusted, even with the paranoia around referee bias!

Red-Eye-Knight, i am wondering if you support the team with THE 10 year history, or the other similar team where 1910 and never again applies!
Arabest,
Geoff.

Jazz did you notice the 10 year old team got their penalty last week due to VAR overuling the ref.one nil down not able to hit a barn door then all of a sudden a penalty ,the ref who was closest didnt give it but VAR spotted it.I havent seen it but have been told by neutrals there was contact.Who would have believed it the Bears in trouble and get a Penalty from a scottish ref on VAR then from the match ref after he viewed the replay Original decision must have been based on all the divers Bears have had through the years This one might be able to be verified as 3 of the guys are still alive ,sometime between 1996 and 1999 in the Golf Inn in Carnoustie the talk was about Rangers getting penalties onne of the Rangers supporters said are you telling me McCann dives referring to Neil McCann of Rangers my rescue Springer Spaniel rolled on his back .Everytime the words McCann and dive were in the same sentence over he went .I am going to have to be the thick one and ask what the 1910 and never again was about. We have never worked out who the Spaniels previous owner supported.

Keith

I take it your not a Teddy Bears fan?

Condor68 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 19, 2022 8:45 pm

Jazz did you notice the 10 year old team got their penalty last week due to VAR overuling the ref.one nil down not able to hit a barn door then all of a sudden a penalty ,the ref who was closest didnt give it but VAR spotted it.I havent seen it but have been told by neutrals there was contact.Who would have believed it the Bears in trouble and get a Penalty from a scottish ref on VAR then from the match ref after he viewed the replay Original decision must have been based on all the divers Bears have had through the years This one might be able to be verified as 3 of the guys are still alive ,sometime between 1996 and 1999 in the Golf Inn in Carnoustie the talk was about Rangers getting penalties onne of the Rangers supporters said are you telling me McCann dives referring to Neil McCann of Rangers my rescue Springer Spaniel rolled on his back .Everytime the words McCann and dive were in the same sentence over he went .I am going to have to be the thick one and ask what the 1910 and never again was about. We have never worked out who the Spaniels previous owner supported.

Keith

As much as it hurts me to the core to admit it, that decision v St Mirren is fully in the clear and obvious mistake category. The defender doesnt get near the ball, sends the attacker into the stand and VAR rightly advised the pitch side review, which correctly leads to the penalty and booking for diving reversal. Unfair to label McCann as a diver as he was never that good a footballer, and even worse as a manager!

1910 and never again is the general theme of a number of stories from when Dundee FC won the Scottish Cup. It is said that for whatever version of the story you prefer, it always ends with the curse from the Witch on Victoria Road that reads, "1910 and never again!" And to date, The Fun have never won the cup since then!
Arabest,
Geoff.

Thanks Geoff didnt know about the curse.

Condor68 wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:52 pm

Thanks Geoff didnt know about the curse.

Are you a Dundee fan? As every Dundee fan knows about that