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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by Rob666 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:20 am

LotusDriver10 wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:55 pm
I see the Govenment are taking us for fool's again - "Bring a bottle and have a party during lockdown" well its ok for them to.
I must be honest not good us being told to not mix and this going on, however I have taken little notice of the government ramblings in the press conferences and done what is good for me and my family and listened to SIR Chris Whitty and SIR Jonathan Van-Tam and much deserved just for putting out politicians right. Also I have used it as excuse to avoid any contact with the wife's family and this has worked out well.

As always stay safe and Happy Spotting.
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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by Nighthawke » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:30 am

With you all the way on that Rob. If everyone had been doing the right thing we would probably be in a better position.
As for in-laws, well mine live in France so not seen for wll over two years and no chance yet fir a while.
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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by steamy » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:18 pm

The government have been partying through all of this, yet Boris remains.. he's turning into an oligarch .... crazy that this sort of carry on doesn't even bat an eyelid anymore

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by slogen51 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:47 pm

It is incredible that an an invitation was sent on 20 May , 12 days before lockdown rules were relaxed, for a "socially distanced drinks in the No 10 garden this evening".

Apparently 30 people attended according to the BBC

I guess the attendees probably all worked together anyway and a gathering outside shouldn't cause issues but I find the whole thing very disappointing.

Boris is refusing to comment on whether he attended!!

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by raptor9 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:48 pm

Steamy. Have they!!. Be aware that this has not been confirmed, and also bear in mind that there are people in Government with ah axe to grind. D. Cummins for one!.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by time on target » Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:54 pm

Why has it taken almost two years to come to light?

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by steamy » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:42 pm

raptor9 wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:48 pm
Steamy. Have they!!. Be aware that this has not been confirmed, and also bear in mind that there are people in Government with ah axe to grind. D. Cummins for one!.
not like Boris to bend the rules at all, how could we think such a thing...

If DC is the only way we'll hear some truth, then so be it.... all snakes in the grass, and we're their little puppets

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by raptor9 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:59 pm

Innocent until proved guilty. The backbone of English law.. If found guilty, then fine. They should of course take the consequences. Until then,I , and respectfully you, should keep an open mind.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by mustang5861 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:03 pm

raptor9 wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:59 pm
Innocent until proved guilty. The backbone of English law.. If found guilty, then fine. They should of course take the consequences. Until then,I , and respectfully you, should keep an open mind.
True enough - but 'guilty v innocent' in the eyes of the law is not the primary concern here, as evidenced by the fact that nobody is holding their breath to see what the Metropolitan Police do next, if anyhting at all, let alone what conclusions they may (or may not) come to further down the line. Governments, MPs and prime minsiters answer to the court of public opinion as to whether their actions/behaviour is, firt and foremost, morally acceptable; and in the case of the Blonde Bombshell, he has a proven track record of actions/behaviour, in both his professional and private life, that paint him as a man who is utterly morally bankrupt and devoid of any personal ethical code.

The fact that a) he refused to answer a reporter's question as to whether or not he attended the drinkipoos soiree on 20/5/20 and b) smiled about it in doing so - I was reminded of Barry Davies's Match of the Day line about the great Francis Lee: 'Look at his face! Just look at his face!' - will, I think, come to haunt him as an increasing number of Tory MPs and grandees listen to their constituents, decide 'enough is enough' and start plotting to replace him as an embarrasment at best, a political liability at worst. It will take just one senior (Cabinet) member to publicly turn on him and make clear that his behaviour is unacceptable, and the whole house of cards will collapse. Whether it is due to his actually attending this (and other) Downing Street parties during Lochdown, or whether it is because he is deemed to have misled Parliament with mock indignation ('I am apalled...') at the actions of others which, surprise surprise, he knew nothing about, the only action left to him will be to act quickly enough to call an early/snap election before his Tory brethren get a chance to bury their knives in his back - as is the Tory way of doing things.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by jimbo » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:01 pm

I’m really conflicted on this, on one hand I think borris is a scheming buffoon who is happy to lie for his and his cronies financial gain, then again I agree with his policy of getting on with life regards Covid restrictions and not being bullied by the 2 newly appointed Sirs of doom. Who as far as I remember haven’t actually got any of thier projected figures anywhere near correct.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by James Cutting » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:07 pm

He broke the law, it was illegal at the time to do that, end of story. Him and the MPs that turned up to this should be fined and more than likely to be sacked.

But of course, the Met Police don't "retrospectively investigate crimes" of over 12 months thanks Mr. Raab...

Just another Police and Government coverup inbound...again. Not hard for him to just answer the question, is it.
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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by Blackcat1 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:10 pm

A lying politician!!!!!??? Well I never!?? 🙄🙄😂😂😂
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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by mustang5861 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:48 pm

jimbo wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:01 pm
I’m really conflicted on this, on one hand I think borris is a scheming buffoon who is happy to lie for his and his cronies financial gain, then again I agree with his policy of getting on with life regards Covid restrictions and not being bullied by the 2 newly appointed Sirs of doom. Who as far as I remember haven’t actually got any of thier projected figures anywhere near correct.
His line 'They [HM's Opposition] jabber, we jab' strikes a chord with the electorate, and I expect we shall hear more of it if he does call a snap election - and given that May and October are the traditional months for a general election, if he can tough it out for a few more weeks the May date is tantalizingly within reach. As for Chris Whitty and JVT, the innaccuracy of their figures and modelling will be of less significance to the electorate than the total deaths figure - but whether they think the latter to be unacceptably high remains to be seen.
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He broke the law, it was illegal at the time to do that, end of story. Him and the MPs that turned up to this should be fined and more than likely to be sacked.

But of course, the Met Police don't "retrospectively investigate crimes" of over 12 months thanks Mr. Raab...

Just another Police and Government coverup inbound...again. Not hard for him to just answer the question, is it.
Not sure if any MPs other than BJ attended any of the 'happenings'; the media hasn't named any as far as I'm aware. Fining those who attended? Yes, but a lot of the fines imposed on those members of the public nabbed during 2020/21 have been quietly dropped by various constabularies. Sacking them? Yes, for the organisers, to set an example to others...

Why didn't he answer the question when it was put to him? He had a choice: 'Yes' or 'No'. If the former, he's instantly incriminated himself; if the latter, he knows he'll instantly be accused of lying. Either way, he'd be political 'toast'.
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Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:10 pm
A lying politician!!!!!??? Well I never!?? 🙄🙄😂😂😂
I know, it's hard to believe. Personally, I adopt the policy of 'If he/she says they're telling the truth, then they're lying'. Works every time.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by Blackcat1 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:52 pm

Or if their lips move then they're lying 😂😂
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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by d555 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:55 pm

As the old gag goes ; Q. How do you know if a politician is lying? A. His/her lips are moving

If I've read this correctly this incident goes back to the first lockdown in 2020 when the PM had caught C19 and was recovering, so he could be savvy and use the Djokovic (10 pts to me if I spelled that correctly ) excuse that he is not infectious anymore and can't pass it on.
Also, Mr Cummins is probably miffed that he was unable to attend this soirée as he was in Co. Durham getting his eyes tested.
All a bunch of idiots, politicians and sportsmen alike, they're taking the law abiding, fair-minded population for mugs as per norm.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by LotusDriver10 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:30 pm

In an Ideal World - the Met will interview all those who took part and they will have to resign, all the rest of the Ministers who received invitations should be reprimanded for not reporting the invitation to the Police.

But it's Not and Ideal World, so they will just brush it under the carpet Bo Jo may stand down replaced by the same problem - remember the PM is just the tip of the iceberg - they all need to go before they cause even more destruction to our country.
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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by Nighthawke » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:59 pm

Goverments always have bad eggs and that will not change. Pie-in-the-sky wishing.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by Malcolm » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:06 pm

LotusDriver10 wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:30 pm
In an Ideal World - the Met will interview all those who took part.....
That would be a complete waste of police time. Any potential offences here are what are called "Summary Offences", and these can only be tried before a Magistrates court. Proceedings in the Mags must be instigated (information must be laid) within 6 months of the date of the offense per Section 127(1) of the Magistrates Act 1980 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/19 ... ection/127

So you're asking for the police to investigate a crime that cannot be prosecuted or punished, which is why they won't want to get involved. The only punishment possible now is at the hands of the court of public opinion - which doesn't have to convene before May 2024. Or at the hands of the Conservative 1922 committee, and/or the men in grey suits.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by slogen51 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:13 am

There might have been the serious offence of Misconduct in Public Office.

To be honest, until now, I thought Boris and the government have done a reasonable job during a pandemic nobody saw coming. Boris was elected on the back of Brexit and probably would not be our first choice in a crisis but that was put on his plate almost from day 1. However the number of gaffs do seem to be piling up so I guess we are heading for a socialist government in the year after.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by steamy » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:04 am

Nighthawke wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:59 pm
Goverments always have bad eggs and that will not change. Pie-in-the-sky wishing.
we'll just let them do as they please so without even trying to hold anyone accountable, cos it's always the way :roll:

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