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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by csnewton2701 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:18 am

I have been following this thread without posting, but I thought I might join in.

There seem to be more holes in the government policies than there is in a seive.

I have worked through lockdown as I was classed as a key worker but unfortunately my wife was put on furlough, which wasn't bad for child care as we have an 18 month old. Now she is back in work we require childcare again but cannot afford extra child care fees on top of what we currently pay for nursery so what do we do?

Individual school years are classed as a bubble, what happens if 1 siblings year has to isolate and their other sibling is in a different bubble?

There are concerns about an increase in infections but face coverings are not enforceable in enclosed areas, surely this has to change?

You can't meet other households in you garden despite them working from home so a reasonably safe but you can go to the pub get drunk and forget about social distancing.

I don't want an argument i just wanted to put my thoughts across.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by slogen51 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:34 am

It is not Government policy that we go out and get drunk but it is policy that every working person should be back at work including pubs and restaurants.

We are the ones letting the side down by behaving like children.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by plmc135 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:36 am

I am now sweating on a very important family occasion this weekend at the RC Cathedral in Birmingham with a decision due by the authorities on Thursday about possibly introducing new measures. Excuse the pun, but I am praying that that does not happen as it is a once in a life time happening.

The BBC article is dated yesterday and provides an update on the situation in Norfolk by local council, Breckland unfortunately is top. Whilst the Banham factory is in Attleborough the staff and families could live anywhere in the vicinity. The significant rise in UK figures was not announced until Sunday, let us hope there is a corresponding decrease in that number today.

Separately I don't understand why people think that the government has a magic wand it can wave that will solve all the problems. This is a pandemic the like of which the world has not faced for a considerable length of time and nobody knows what is going to happen tomorrow let alone today. We all have to hope and pray that we as individuals get through in one piece and act sensibly. Thankfully I do not drink so going to the pub doesn't affect me, but should they be open?

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by Thunder » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:33 am

csnewton2701 wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:18 am
I have been following this thread without posting, but I thought I might join in.

There seem to be more holes in the government policies than there is in a seive.

I have worked through lockdown as I was classed as a key worker but unfortunately my wife was put on furlough, which wasn't bad for child care as we have an 18 month old. Now she is back in work we require childcare again but cannot afford extra child care fees on top of what we currently pay for nursery so what do we do?

Individual school years are classed as a bubble, what happens if 1 siblings year has to isolate and their other sibling is in a different bubble?

There are concerns about an increase in infections but face coverings are not enforceable in enclosed areas, surely this has to change?

You can't meet other households in you garden despite them working from home so a reasonably safe but you can go to the pub get drunk and forget about social distancing.

I don't want an argument i just wanted to put my thoughts across.

Chris

If you're back to where you where before all this, why do you need extra childcare? Not really my business but since you mentioned it. Surely the sensible thing to do was to take what you were saving on childcare while your wife was furloughed and put it away just in case(maybe you did, I don't know).

If you have a child in a school class that has to isolate then the whole household of that child needs to isolate as well, until told otherwise. The school then need to be made aware if they don't already know, that there is a possible route of infection to another class through a sibling.

Face coverings only prevent an infected person passing on the virus, they do not stop you catching it unless you're wearing at least a FFP3 respirator type, again common sense prevails, if you see someone without a mask take a wide berth. Ask to speak to the management and say that if they don't try to enforce the guidance you will take your business elsewhere, and tell them Facebook is a powerful tool.

Who says you can't meet other households taken from the UK Gov:

you can continue to meet in any outdoor space in a group of up to 6 people from different households.

single adult households – in other words adults who live alone or with dependent children only – can continue to form an exclusive ‘support bubble’ with one other household.

you can also meet in a group of 2 households (anyone in your support bubble counts as one household), in any location ‒ public or private, indoors or outdoors. This does not need to be the same household each time.


You can also meet inside but masks and social distancing need to be followed.

It's very easy to blame the Government as everything that's wrong with life seems to be at the fault of whatever Government is in power. At the end of the day we the public owe it to ourselves, our families, our friends, our neighbours, our work colleagues and everyone else we cross paths with on a daily/weekly basis to obey the guidance and use common sense.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by ArabJazzie » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:49 am

plmc135 wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:52 am
So go back to the original advice of Stay at Home, Save Lives and Protect the NHS. Don't go wandering around the country looking at planes it is not an essential task. Marham is on the edge of an area under increased surveillance.
Trying to work out if you and slogen have got some wee private joke going on!

Despite that thought, i wonder what your beef is with going to an area which is essentially as open as you can get it? Compared to a setting in a food processing plant, the chances of passing Covid onto someone else becomes so insignificant in an open air environment.
plmc135 wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:36 am
I am now sweating on a very important family occasion this weekend at the RC Cathedral in Birmingham with a decision due by the authorities on Thursday about possibly introducing new measures. Excuse the pun, but I am praying that that does not happen as it is a once in a life time happening.


So you say above, "So go back to the original advice of Stay at Home, Save Lives and Protect the NHS." about people standing about in open air, but you will happily go along to an indoor family event. Because of the recent food processing plant outbreak in my area, we took a decision to cancel an important birthday celebration because 2 members of my household came far too close to people who were directly connected to the families of workers from that plant.
plmc135 wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:36 am
The BBC article is dated yesterday and provides an update on the situation in Norfolk by local council, Breckland unfortunately is top. Whilst the Banham factory is in Attleborough the staff and families could live anywhere in the vicinity. The significant rise in UK figures was not announced until Sunday, let us hope there is a corresponding decrease in that number today.


It has to be said that the outbreak local to me was handled very effectively by a targeted lockdown on the food processing plant and another "unconnected" cluster. As long as similar action is taken swiftly, then community transmission can be significantly reduced.
plmc135 wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:36 am
Separately I don't understand why people think that the government has a magic wand it can wave that will solve all the problems. This is a pandemic the like of which the world has not faced for a considerable length of time and nobody knows what is going to happen tomorrow let alone today. We all have to hope and pray that we as individuals get through in one piece and act sensibly. Thankfully I do not drink so going to the pub doesn't affect me, but should they be open?

People have been asked to use their common sense so others can point the finger when things go wrong. However, it took only 1 person in Aberdeen to visit 3 pubs, whos patrons then visited 30 pubs for that cluster to perpetuate. Now people are moving freely and abroad, the Glasgow area outbreak just now may be linked to foreign travel, then that Aberdeen example just grew wings and flew!

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by csnewton2701 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:15 am

Thunder wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:33 am
csnewton2701 wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:18 am
I have been following this thread without posting, but I thought I might join in.

There seem to be more holes in the government policies than there is in a seive.

I have worked through lockdown as I was classed as a key worker but unfortunately my wife was put on furlough, which wasn't bad for child care as we have an 18 month old. Now she is back in work we require childcare again but cannot afford extra child care fees on top of what we currently pay for nursery so what do we do?

Individual school years are classed as a bubble, what happens if 1 siblings year has to isolate and their other sibling is in a different bubble?

There are concerns about an increase in infections but face coverings are not enforceable in enclosed areas, surely this has to change?

You can't meet other households in you garden despite them working from home so a reasonably safe but you can go to the pub get drunk and forget about social distancing.

I don't want an argument i just wanted to put my thoughts across.

Chris

If you're back to where you where before all this, why do you need extra childcare? Not really my business but since you mentioned it. Surely the sensible thing to do was to take what you were saving on childcare while your wife was furloughed and put it away just in case(maybe you did, I don't know).

Our son had his grandparents look after him 2 days a week which now according to rules is not allowed.

There was no money saved due to me covering extra costs for bills.


If you have a child in a school class that has to isolate then the whole household of that child needs to isolate as well, until told otherwise. The school then need to be made aware if they don't already know, that there is a possible route of infection to another class through a sibling.

This was just a thought, wasn't sure how it would work.


Face coverings only prevent an infected person passing on the virus, they do not stop you catching it unless you're wearing at least a FFP3 respirator type, again common sense prevails, if you see someone without a mask take a wide berth. Ask to speak to the management and say that if they don't try to enforce the guidance you will take your business elsewhere, and tell them Facebook is a powerful tool.

No shop I've seen is willing to be more forceful

Who says you can't meet other households taken from the UK Gov:

My local government as I'm in a local lockdown.


you can continue to meet in any outdoor space in a group of up to 6 people from different households.

single adult households – in other words adults who live alone or with dependent children only – can continue to form an exclusive ‘support bubble’ with one other household.

you can also meet in a group of 2 households (anyone in your support bubble counts as one household), in any location ‒ public or private, indoors or outdoors. This does not need to be the same household each time.


You can also meet inside but masks and social distancing need to be followed.

It's very easy to blame the Government as everything that's wrong with life seems to be at the fault of whatever Government is in power. At the end of the day we the public owe it to ourselves, our families, our friends, our neighbours, our work colleagues and everyone else we cross paths with on a daily/weekly basis to obey the guidance and use common sense.
im not blaming the government at all I just think that they need to be more specific


Chris

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by Thunder » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:24 am

Obviously I don't know what your local council are running out as guidance, but if you were to form a bubble between your and your parents households, I can't see there being a problem unless of course the have underlying heath issues and you would rather not. I'm led to believe that councils where local lockdowns have been reimposed have been given extra funding, so maybe worthwhile contacting them to see what's available if you haven't done so already.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by csnewton2701 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:31 am

Thunder wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:24 am
Obviously I don't know what your local council are running out as guidance, but if you were to form a bubble between your and your parents households, I can't see there being a problem unless of course the have underlying heath issues and you would rather not. I'm led to believe that councils where local lockdowns have been reimposed have been given extra funding, so maybe worthwhile contacting them to see what's available if you haven't done so already.
Currently there is an out right ban on 2 households mixing whether indoors or a private garden.

We originally checked to see if we were entitled to anything but the rules are the same for Universal Credit, if your over the threshold you have to cover extra costs through your savings.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by Thunder » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:39 am

Can’t see how that would work if you’re both expected to work, as you and everyone else are mixing????

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by csnewton2701 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:43 am

This was my point from my first post, you can go to work, go shopping and not wear a mask, go to the pub get drunk and not follow social distancing but you can't go and see family or use them for childcare as per pre lockdown. Am I missing something or are the rules a bit vague?

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by Thunder » Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:38 pm

From your perspective they aren’t vague..... they’re just plain nonsense. This is what happens when you start having several authorities trying to control the same thing and the worst offenders are local councils who just don’t have the knowledge or expertise to address these matters.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by plmc135 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:56 pm

The event I am talking about is not family organised but by the Archdiocese of Birmingham. Very strict social distancing applies in churches and a maximum of 50 people can attend, the same as for any service in the Cathedral. I suspect you are aware of the size of a Cathedral. It has already been postponed once as at the time of the earlier date no congregations were permitted.
There will be no socialising and no Cathedral facilities are going to be available. It will fully comply with Govt requirements including track and trace.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by ArabJazzie » Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:02 pm

plmc135 wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:56 pm
The event I am talking about is not family organised but by the Archdiocese of Birmingham. Very strict social distancing applies in churches and a maximum of 50 people can attend, the same as for any service in the Cathedral. I suspect you are aware of the size of a Cathedral. It has already been postponed once as at the time of the earlier date no congregations were permitted.
There will be no socialising and no Cathedral facilities are going to be available. It will fully comply with Govt requirements including track and trace.
My main point is that you pontificate about people "gathering" in open air, but are willing to cross the country for an indoor event. It may be a cathedral, but it is still indoors, and im sure you will have to visit other places on your travels! You say yourself that extra measures may be implemented before then, so why travel to an area that is teetering on the brink of those restrictions being implemented?

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by plmc135 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:28 am

Well it has now been sorted out for you gatherings of over 6 banned including outdoors. However 3,500 expected at Doncaster for horse racing today :ninja:

You are clearly unaware of the very strict conditions under which places of worship were allowed to open for services. They are far more demanding than even pubs and I await to see what Bojo has to say later on, in particular anything relating to churches.

And no I would not need to stop anywhere else on my travels. It would make a change for you to be positive instead of trying to nit pick everyone else's comments, some of them get very personal and are totally unnecessary. You do not know all the circumstances of people's situations so should keep your views to yourslef.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by Blackcat1 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:09 am

Caerphilly county on lockdown. People can't meet indoors at your home but pubs , restaurants & cafes stay open!😕
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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by Thunder » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:08 am

plmc135 wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:28 am
It would make a change for you to be positive instead of trying to nit pick everyone else's comments, some of them get very personal and are totally unnecessary. You do not know all the circumstances of people's situations so should keep your views to yourslef.


Likewise. Over the last several pages and probably going further back in this thread you have done nothing but slate those that choose to go spotting, to the pub, go on holiday, go to the beach, meet with friends and so on. You also stated that the lockdown needs to be reimplemented as things are starting to get out of hand again.

But it’s ok for you to go and do your thing, talk about double standards. Whether you like it or not Geoff (Arabjazzie), is spot on.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by Thunder » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:17 am

Blackcat1 wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:09 am
Caerphilly county on lockdown. People can't meet indoors at your home but pubs , restaurants & cafes stay open!😕
This I can’t get my head around.

Got a letter home from school yesterday telling us that the children must now all have warm coats/fleeces with them, as they’re going to start having all windows open during classes for ventilation. Seriously, the authorities are prepared to have children as young as 4 sitting in the cold and at risk of catching chills and aggravating asthma and the like for little or no gain.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by big john » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:19 am

You can still meet up with no more than 6 people in the same bubble. Provided you maintain social distancing rules you can go to the pub etcetera provided you stay in your bubble and 2 metres or 6 feet away from any other people.
I now know someone who has covid-19. He is disabled and in a wheelchair. and has been in isolation. who gave it to him? his B*!!!!! carer, who didn't follow the rules because he was young and invulnerable.
He said it wasn't to bad, it felt like a bad cold but without the runny nose. and he is now recovering. He was taken to hospital just in case but came home the following day. I did pop over to see him but was turned away, so we talked on the phone.
So maybe it's not so bad after all? Feel like s*-t for a week then probably safe for a while, until another strain gets you. Apparently there have been 9 strains of this virus discovered so far, so , it's a matter of luck which one you catch and which one will kill you.
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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by jimbo » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:46 am

Big John, 4 weeks ago more people died of heatstroke! its only a matter of time before something gets you!

The local hospital have no cases currently admitted, however there are plenty of positive cases around the catchment, could it be that its mutating to be more infectious but less deadly?

The jump in cases is also related to the number being tested, which is 80% higher than in June, positive cases v's test numbers are starting to trend upward but not by the scaremongering amounts the media and press are reporting. Currently 1.8 -2.0% positive cases of those tested, in June it was 2.4% so not a spectacular rise at all.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by big john » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:12 pm

I think you'll find cases are increasing due to people not social distancing. I went to what used to be a nice quiet country pub last weekend for a drink. Couldn't get near the bar for a crowd all standing close to one another all talking at the tops of their voices, they all appeared to be under 30. So we left and went to Sainsbury's for a bottle of wine instead. :(
What we need is official security patrols of 2 or 3 people to monitor the rules, with authority to issue the fines. Armed with pepper sprays and tasers, so anybody getting stroppy can be calmed down. We don't have enough police for them to do it. So maybe Traffic Wardens with a bit of training or people with Security Guard Training maybe?
If people had been taught discipline in schools then there wouldn't be a problem. But 50,000 volts from a taser will teach them something.
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