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Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - didn't he do well?

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Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - didn't he do well?

Post by slogen51 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:52 am

Five more years and with a big majority.

I think labour missed an open goal.

When will Sturgeon be declared President of Scotland?

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Post by vulcanxl425 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:36 am

Feel sorry for Larry the cat at number 10 and having to put up with Boris , girlfriend plus their dog.
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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - didn't he do well?

Post by baz1 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:26 pm

slogen51 wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:52 am
Five more years and with a big majority.

I think labour missed an open goal.

When will Sturgeon be declared President of Scotland?
just listening on tv to Sturgeon banging on again about independence :huh:

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Post by Mike » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:36 pm

This is interesting and it shows how bad the voting system is, the SNP won 3.9% of the total vote and end up with 48 MPs, meanwhile the LibDems won 11.5% and only have 11 MPs ! :S :roll:

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Post by Freeman Lowell » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:43 pm

slogen51 wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:52 am

I think labour missed an open goal.
To quote Labour MP Mark Tami :

"I think our policy on Brexit was, well... if you stand in the middle of the road, you get run over."

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - didn't he do well?

Post by slogen51 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:40 pm

Quality quote above

Sinn fein have 7 seats ( that they won't take up) from less than 200k votes

The constituency map is roughly in proportion to the UK population distribution
Scotland population 5 million - 60 seats
England population 55 million - about 530 seats

The two main parties in England have a vested interest in a first past the post system

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Post by reheat module » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:19 pm

In response to the question presented by the OP:
Yes he did.
darn brilliant !
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Post by slogen51 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:48 pm

I agree

The PM is due to make a statement outside number 10

Be funny if he came out disheveled , a bottle of Champers in one hand and a large Churchill style cigar in the other!

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Post by The Phantom » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:43 pm

slogen51 wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:48 pm
I agree

The PM is due to make a statement outside number 10

Be funny if he came out disheveled , a bottle of Champers in one hand and a large Churchill style cigar in the other!
:lol: :lol:

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Post by C24 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:11 pm

:Oops:
:S
The Con Party received 44% of the votes; so 56% did not vote for them.

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Post by Thunder » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:16 pm

Delighted with the overall result, no so much with the result in Scotland. However the SNP need to remember that although 45% of the electorate did vote for them :S, simple maths will tell you that 55% didn’t, therefore there is no real mandate for Indyref 2.

@C24, maybe so but they won the vast majority therefore they become the Government, whereas my point above relates to a straight yes or no. Unfortunately you’re always going to get this when you have several political parties fighting for votes, so yes it’s true democracy.
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Post by Sparts99 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:18 pm

slogen51 wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:52 am
Five more years and with a big majority.

I think labour missed an open goal.
yes they did, but with Corbyn in charge they were never going to be successful, if they'd made Kier Starmer leader a year ago things might have been very different. I can't believe Corbyn hasn't gone, he's still clinging on and being vague about when he'll go. And it'll be more than five years, the tories have plans, listed in their manifesto, for signifcant changes to our electoral system and how parliament works, it'll tighten their grip on power.
I was at the local count last night, there was a guy from yougov pollsters there who told us about 10 mins before the first exit poll how it was going to go, he was spot on. Social media played a huge part in the election, the tories targeted leave supporting labour voters specifically with ads and posts. So LibDem, Green and remainer Labour supporters never saw the ads meaning there was little debate on line to counter the tory claims.
For the one Green MP over 850,000 votes were cast, for each tory MP 38,000, PR would have given the LibDems, Greens and Labour more MPs, the tories a few less, and even UKIP/Brexit party would have got one or two MPs as well. First past the post suits the main two parties much better and encourages competiton - hence Labour not joining forces with LibDems and Green Party in constituencies where a united oppostion vote would have toppled the incumbent tory - whereas PR encourage collaborative working.
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Post by slogen51 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:29 pm

Be interesting to see how Westminster will respond to an indyref(2) request?

I personally think Scotland should be granted the second referendum and hopefully they will vote no again.

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Post by Thunder » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:53 pm

Worst thing that happened to Scotland in recent years was Indyref1, businesses(-Global companies) stopped investing in the country for nearly 3 years with one outcome being the collapse of the Oil Industry, we don’t want that again, especially since the desire for Independence out with the higher Echelons of the SNP has actually diminished.

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Post by d555 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:01 pm

Well done . Great result for Boris and the Tories.
I guess with such a large majority Boris must feel like the proverbial child in a sweet shop, he can do anything he likes.

Just waiting now to see if Gina Miller and her cronies mount a legal challenge against another result she doesn't like😉

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Post by paddyboy » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:26 am

Good riddance to the Marxist, IRA-loving, pacifist, anti-Semitic, anti-royalist disaster that is Comrade Corbyn AND his sycophantic followers :grr:

He and his ilk were the one and only reason I was forced to vote Tory for the first time in my life :grr:

Get out of my Labour party and crawl back under your Soviet stone NOW :grr:

PS: yes, well done Boris :thumbs:
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Post by The Phantom » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:38 am

paddyboy wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:26 am
Good riddance to the Marxist, IRA-loving, pacifist, anti-Semitic, anti-royalist disaster that is Comrade Corbyn AND his sycophantic followers :grr:

He and his ilk were the one and only reason I was forced to vote Tory for the first time in my life :grr:

Get out of my Labour party and crawl back under your Soviet stone NOW :grr:

PS: yes, well done Boris :thumbs:
Haha - dead right Paddy; and you assured me years ago that they'd never win anything with him in charge, and you were dead right.
Yet frighteningly there are plenty who held him up as being something great; though he did get Labour their worst result since the 1930s - so indeed he was a bit of a miracle man after all!

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Post by C24 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:58 am

In the Leicestershire paper relating to the election results.

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news ... 19-3629354

Anthony Watchorn who died on November 27 was standing as an independent candidate at the time of his death.

His name was still on the ballot paper as voters visited polling stations and he ended up receiving 458 votes.

My condolences to Mr Watchorn’s family for using this sad event to illustrate another reason to change the voting system if it is agreed that the current one doesn’t offer a better democratic outcome than is in current use.

Voting should also be compulsory. The Houses of Parliament should replaced by new ones built in the centre of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Once out of EU, we should apply to become the 51st State of the Union (long advocated by me). I should be restricted to commenting and posting images about military aircraft. But we should build more diesel electric submarines for the Royal Navy and lease our two mini carriers to the US Marines.



That wasn’t in the Tory manifesto but who knows what the next few years will bring with such a strong majority for Johnson et al?

As stated earlier, best wishes to the youngsters.

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - didn't he do well?

Post by ChrisCwmbran » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:16 pm

paddyboy wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:26 am
Good riddance to the Marxist, IRA-loving, pacifist, anti-Semitic, anti-royalist disaster that is Comrade Corbyn AND his sycophantic followers :grr:

He and his ilk were the one and only reason I was forced to vote Tory for the first time in my life :grr:

Get out of my Labour party and crawl back under your Soviet stone NOW :grr:

PS: yes, well done Boris :thumbs:
Well said!

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Re: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - didn't he do well?

Post by The Phantom » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:12 pm

C24 wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:11 pm
:Oops:
:S
The Con Party received 44% of the votes; so 56% did not vote for them.

Democracy at its best? Best wishes to the youngsters, you will need them.
But that's not something new is it. Every election is like that. Tony Blair won an election with 35% of the vote - so 65% didn't want him but had to be governed by him.
That's why i'd prefer the system was changed to proportional representation; but that system wouldn't suit Conservative or Labour so it will never happen.

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