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James Cutting
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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by James Cutting » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:48 pm

Now that would be fun :Wow: :lol: :lol:
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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by Thunder » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:14 pm

James Cutting wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:37 am
Doesn't help when you have a PM who initially wanted to remain, trying to lead a country out of the EU.
In all honesty I admire PM May, although she was a remainer she at least has and did listen to the public and followed the Brexit path, not her fault you have other MP's that want to override democarcy just to have their 15mins of fame. Anyone that thought we would leave the EU initially smelling of roses more fool them.

I voted remain and probably would do again if given the chance.

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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by James Cutting » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:08 pm

Agree there Thunder - personally dislike her, but with the s**t she has been given, and the "MP's" she is working with, she is doing well.

I would too, and I pray that we do not leave without a deal.
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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by C24 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:56 pm

James Cutting wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:08 pm

...with the s**t ...
:Oops: Perhaps a small edit??
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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by Malcolm » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:14 pm

ChrisCwmbran wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:12 am
It shouldn't matter what MPs want. They have been told what to do.

If they don't do what the public do they are going to face an almighty political spanking and a swing to the right.
Constitutionally, this is entirely wrong. In the UK, parliament is sovereign, not the people. The people cannot tell the MP's what to do. The only say you or I have is when we elect our MP. Once elected, that MP is free to vote as they wish. They can take heed of what their electorate want, but they don't have to.

Yes the people voted to leave - but that isn't binding on any MP, or the Govt, or Parliament as a whole.

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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by baz1 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:19 pm

and no one else would take her job on what a bunch of blinkered buffoons Nigel Farage gave the EU council some stick in no uncertain terms, do we really want to continue to be ruled ridiculed and insulted by that lot like MAY was??
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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by mirage41 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:24 pm

Understand that Malcolm, but believe that the almighty spanking will be forthcoming.

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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by ChrisCwmbran » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:40 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:14 pm
ChrisCwmbran wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:12 am
It shouldn't matter what MPs want. They have been told what to do.

If they don't do what the public do they are going to face an almighty political spanking and a swing to the right.
Constitutionally, this is entirely wrong. In the UK, parliament is sovereign, not the people. The people cannot tell the MP's what to do. The only say you or I have is when we elect our MP. Once elected, that MP is free to vote as they wish. They can take heed of what their electorate want, but they don't have to.

Yes the people voted to leave - but that isn't binding on any MP, or the Govt, or Parliament as a whole.
No. But we were told very clearly vocally and in writing that they would enact whatever we decided.

Still if the Remoaner MPs carry on as they are they will a) cause their own deselection and b) cause politics in the UK to shift to the right. Then they might start to regret their actions.

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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by Malcolm » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:03 pm

ChrisCwmbran wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:40 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:14 pm
ChrisCwmbran wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:12 am
It shouldn't matter what MPs want. They have been told what to do.

If they don't do what the public do they are going to face an almighty political spanking and a swing to the right.
Constitutionally, this is entirely wrong. In the UK, parliament is sovereign, not the people. The people cannot tell the MP's what to do. The only say you or I have is when we elect our MP. Once elected, that MP is free to vote as they wish. They can take heed of what their electorate want, but they don't have to.

Yes the people voted to leave - but that isn't binding on any MP, or the Govt, or Parliament as a whole.
No. But we were told very clearly vocally and in writing that they would enact whatever we decided.
MP's and the public were told that the referendum was not binding. Yes, the Cameron Govt promised to implement the result, but we've had another election since then. Constitutionally, a future govt cannot be bound by the decisions of a previous one. Ergo, the May Govt cannot be bound by the promises of the Cameron Govt. The only valid argument here is that the current May/Conservative lead govt was elected on a manifesto which promised to implement BREXIT. However, the May/Conservative govt doesn't have a parliamentary majority so it cannot implement it's manifesto policies without the support of other parties (even if all Conservative MPs tow the party line).
ChrisCwmbran wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:40 pm
Still if the Remoaner MPs carry on as they are they will a) cause their own deselection and b) cause politics in the UK to shift to the right. Then they might start to regret their actions.
Perhaps. I personally doubt it, but it's possible. There are many seats where you could stick a red rosette on a donkey, and that donkey would be elected for the Labour MP. Same for safe Conservative and SNP seats. It's the 50 or so marginal seats that matter. If they go 'red' then Labour gets a 100 seat majority. If they go 'blue' then the conservatives get a 100 seat majority. If some third party pops up a 'steals' seats from one party, then the other party wins with a reduced majority, or you get a hung parliament.

As Mark Twain once wrote "‘If Voting Made a Difference, They Wouldn’t Let Us Do It’

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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by ChrisCwmbran » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:08 pm

Time will tell. However I think for a good number of years now the political classes have told the population of the UK how tolerant and multicultural we are, and worked things in a way beneficial to themselves and their friends, and I think just maybe this has pushed the public too far.

I have a feeling at the next election the SNP are going to haemorrhage seats anyway.

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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by two1938 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:41 pm

Why do the MPs protect only themselves not the public.Pity Parliament was not blown up all those years ago that would be one way to save money

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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by Vulcanone » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:08 pm

And even if Guy Fawkes succeeded. Do you think they would have sat around with white flags and given up?

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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by The Phantom » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:11 pm

ChrisCwmbran wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:12 am
It shouldn't matter what MPs want. They have been told what to do.

If they don't do what the public do they are going to face an almighty political spanking and a swing to the right.
The trouble is under the stupid system we have, they know they are always going to be safe - in it only being between them and Labour (and vice-versa).
Look at the 2015 election when UKIP got 12% of the votes but only won one seat?!

If we had proportional representation then the two lead parties would have to start listening to their public more and do what they promised they would - with the danger that every vote really would count at the next election if they don't.

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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by Morseman » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:16 pm

They should shut the doors and not let them out until they sort out Brexit once and for all.

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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by herc15 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:13 pm

Morseman wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:16 pm
They should shut the doors and not let them out until they sort out Brexit once and for all.
:lol: now we're talking, a practical solution at last
to be honest that wouldn't be a bad idea

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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by James Cutting » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:19 pm

At least they have voted against a No Deal
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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by Blackcat1 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:54 pm

Well said Morseman!!!
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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by slogen51 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:30 pm

Morseman wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:16 pm
They should shut the doors and not let them out until they sort out Brexit once and for all.

On the contrary I think think Parliament should have a 3 week recess so we come out on the 29 March as per the current law and then we can all get on with day to day life.

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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by Blackcat1 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:32 pm

Sick of hearing the bleeding word Brexit!! Just get on with it!
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Re: RIP Brexit

Post by ChrisCwmbran » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:00 pm

slogen51 wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:30 pm
Morseman wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:16 pm
They should shut the doors and not let them out until they sort out Brexit once and for all.

On the contrary I think think Parliament should have a 3 week recess so we come out on the 29 March as per the current law and then we can all get on with day to day life.
Me too :)

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