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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by seven » Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:58 pm

UNLAPPED :lol: Autocorrect really does more harm than good!

Is a podium really that much of an achievement in a car that should be winning.. Certainly not too me. ;)
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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by James Cutting » Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:59 pm

Red-Eye-Knight wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:00 pm
seven wrote:
Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:57 am
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Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:50 am
My last GP after the events at Sao Paulo. Arrogance and selfishness behaviour of Verstappen, Leclerc and Ocon towards team members. Red Bull always complaining. FIA rules which seem to be ignored or bent to suit the circumstances due to pressure from a well known team. How many laps did it take to remove a car which was already virtually off the track and then have to wait while other cars had to "unlap" themselves. WHY!!
I don't feel Leclerc was out of line asking for the position, as he is fighting for P2. IMO Ferrari should have given him it, but that would make sense and that's not Ferrari's M.O.
And yes the safety car was a joke. Even more so when you read the FIA's statement regarding why Tsunoda was not allowed to unhappy himself.
Then again, there was nothing stopping Norris rolling the car further behind the barriers, unless there's a rule preventing such that I'm not aware of...

Have to disagree with you about Leclerc as he was asking for his team mate to give up a podium position sorry you cannot do that if the were 4th and 5th then yeah but a podium position sorry no.
Why not? He is ahead of him in the standings and pushing P2 which is more important.
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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by raptor9 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:00 pm

I don't think Lando could have rolled any further. It was stuck in gear, and even three hefty marshals couldn't move it. It doesn't roll far with a dead engine in gear.!

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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by raptor9 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:06 pm

If I was Christian Horner, I would point out to Max Verstappen that he is not a Team Owner, but simply an Employee of the Team, until such time as he owns his own!!.

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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by 2e1var » Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:23 am

I think we all owe Max an apology, it turns out it was just a misunderstanding (despite what max said over the radio), they hadn't ensvisaged the situation (despite asking Perez to let Max through) and they only let Max know to let Perez back through on the final corner (okay these are just lies now). Turns out that Max has always been an open (although wouldn't tell the press his reasons) and fair team player (hmmm) and he had little time to react (although he did have time to say no).
Well thank you to Red BS for clearing that up, they must have such a ,low opinion of the fans. Also turns out that the backlash on social media isn't their fault just like the backlash to the budget cap wasn't their fault. Poor Red BS, can we all just be nice this weekend please ?
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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by raptor9 » Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:38 am

As I get older, my eyesight has improved enormously!. I can now recognise Bu..sh.t from 500 miles!!!!. :) Good week-end, I hope.

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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by slogen51 » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:12 am

To say Perez let max past is being disingenuous in my opinion , it was really to avoid losing more time in a pointless battle -
Max on softs was always going to pass Perez on medium who was dropping back from a potential podium so why would max allow Perez back past?

I accept that team orders are now allowed and must be adhered to ( and take precedence over any actual racing!) but that would also be a bit unfortunate for Leclerc if Perez were gifted two points. As it happens it has set it up for a great race off for second in the drivers between those two drivers.

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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by 2e1var » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:46 am

slogen51 wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:12 am
To say Perez let max past is being disingenuous in my opinion , it was really to avoid losing more time in a pointless battle -
Max on softs was always going to pass Perez on medium who was dropping back from a potential podium so why would max allow Perez back past?

I accept that team orders are now allowed and must be adhered to ( and take precedence over any actual racing!) but that would also be a bit unfortunate for Leclerc if Perez were gifted two points. As it happens it has set it up for a great race off for second in the drivers between those two drivers.
To allow Perez to get 2nd in the Championship and give Red BS their first 1-2 perhaps ?
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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by slogen51 » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:38 am

Is that what you really want to see ??

So he can do that on Sunday with a fair and square fight with Ferrari

I accept that won't happen in the unlikely event that Perez is close behind Max - Mx will definitely give up a place if it means RB come 1/2 In the DC. Their best bet might be to do it in the strategy office and compromise Max with tyres etc

I have gone off Perez - too many Mexican conglomerates backing him.. he is no Bottas and not much faster it seems to me

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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by James Cutting » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:40 am

The one extra position would not have guaranteed Perez P2, it would have given him the upper hand - why wouldn't you want your teammate to have that?

Max had already secured the title, P6 would literally have meant nothing to him, whereas for Perez it would have meant much more.
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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by baz1 » Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:44 am

raptor9 wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:38 am
As I get older, my eyesight has improved enormously!. I can now recognise Bu..sh.t from 500 miles!!!!. :) Good week-end, I hope.
nice one :thumbs:
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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by slogen51 » Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:52 am

According to Perez talking in the Mexican media Max owes his two world championships to him so I guess letting Perez pass is the least max could do!

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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by seven » Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:57 am

slogen51 wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:38 am
So he can do that on Sunday with a fair and square fight with Ferrari

A Reb Dull driver going into the final race level on points with a competitor, guaranteed to be fair and square! :lol:

I accept that won't happen in the unlikely event that Perez is close behind Max - Mx will definitely give up a place if it means RB come 1/2 In the DC.

I wouldn’t put money on him moving aside. And if its for the win, I'd put money on him NOT moving aside for Perez.

I have gone off Perez - too many Mexican conglomerates backing him.. he is no Bottas and not much faster it seems to me

Perez vs Bottas is actually quite a good comparison.
Both grossly off the pace of their team mates, but usually there to pick up the pieces when the leaders get it wrong. Occasionally have performances that make you wonder if they are even driving the same car... Austria last year for example.
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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by slogen51 » Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:00 am

I thought Perez looked quite racey at Force India and in a poor McLaren and would be a tough competitor for max but he has turned into a pussy cat too concerned about his contract and sponsorship

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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by James Cutting » Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:39 am

That would happen to anyone at RB. They favor and build the car for Max, simple as really.
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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by James Cutting » Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:51 pm

So Danny Ric back to RB for their reserve driver role. Can't get my head round that - well, he wants to still keep his foot in the door granted, but he wanted to get out of their toxic environment?!

Sorry - SkyF1 says development driver, Liam Lawson as official reserve.
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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by Pune » Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:04 pm

James Cutting wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:51 pm
So Danny Ric back to RB for their reserve driver role. Can't get my head round that - well, he wants to still keep his foot in the door granted, but he wanted to get out of their toxic environment?!

Sorry - SkyF1 says development driver, Liam Lawson as official reserve.
I think it's a big mistake, but what do I know, hope it goes well for him, but I fear it will not :O
If you can keep your head whilst all around are losing theirs, you have probably completely misread the situation!!

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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by seven » Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:01 am

James Cutting wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:39 am
That would happen to anyone at RB. They favor and build the car for Max, simple as really.
Spot on, and why wouldn't they! Of course they then blame the no.2 driver for not being quick enough though.
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I thought Perez looked quite racey at Force India and in a poor McLaren and would be a tough competitor for max but he has turned into a pussy cat too concerned about his contract and sponsorship
Easy to look good against decidedly average team mates in mid-field cars.
And why wouldn't he!? Chances are if he loses his current contract he'll be gone, and his sponsorships are one of his most attractive qualities.
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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by 65thAgressor » Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:12 pm

Well done Max and Sergio for a fantastic top two.

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Re: Formula 1 2022

Post by raptor9 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:38 pm

A bit disappointing to see Mercedes back to 5th and 6th on the grid, where they have traditionally been all season. Still not quick enough on the straights. :(

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