Formula 1 2023

[James Cutting]

A thicker line means less chance of all the tyre being off the track. All four tyres have to be over the white line to be off track.

[2e1var]

Wasn't the Qatar sprint really good???
Sticking my neck out for a Lando win today.

[seven]

The 4 or 5 racing laps were yes

Not so dull as it could have been today, interesting race but nowhere near a classic.

[plmc135]

Oh dear, Hamilton and Leclerc both disqualified!

[slogen51]

What!?

I stayed up to listen to the race - from the commentary Hamilton had a very good last half - one mistake from Max and Lewis would have had him

I feel cheated now.

[slogen51]

Hamilton was just two seconds behind Verstappen at the flag but his car was later declared illegal for excessive wear on the underfloor skid blocks.

Ferrari's Charles Leclerc suffered the same fate after finishing sixth.

The skid blocks are in place to prevent teams running cars too low, which can be a potential aerodynamic advantage.

[2e1var]

Hey ho, given that two totally unrelated cars of the four checked failed I wonder how many more would have? Maybe track related? I doubt the performance advantage from the plank being out of tolerance was significant, I've no issue with the penalty by the way. Overall I think the weekend was a positive seeing Max given a run for his money. The other Teams are definitely catching. Worrying thing is that they are catching an RB that hasn't been developed for some time now. Ominous for 2024, unless you're a Max fan.

[C24]

From the bbc website

Russell's car was not checked by the scrutineers, incidentally, and nor was that of Leclerc's team-mate Carlos Sainz. The way FIA scrutineering works is that cars are checked at random. If a transgression is found, that does not mean that the other car in the team is then checked as well.

I am still confused as to whether the track is just the tarmac or does it extend all the way out to the barriers. (No response necessary)
Too many rules and not enforced consistently. Rather like life!

[James Cutting]

It's quite simple, that if your car wholly cross the white line, you are ruled "off-track".

BUT - the FIA are rubbish (polite description) at being consistent.

[James Cutting]

Hey ho, given that two totally unrelated cars of the four checked failed I wonder how many more would have? Maybe track related? I doubt the performance advantage from the plank being out of tolerance was significant, I've no issue with the penalty by the way. Overall I think the weekend was a positive seeing Max given a run for his money. The other Teams are definitely catching. Worrying thing is that they are catching an RB that hasn't been developed for some time now. Ominous for 2024, unless you're a Max fan.

At this point I would be grateful for a close battle next year but no doubt RB have chucked a lot at their 2024 car, let's just hope others have, and have managed to close the ground to them, but while they have Adrian Newey I feel they will always be 1 step ahead.

Why can't the FIA check every car if a couple have failed, how many more have failed but snuck through?

[C24]

It isn’t that simple James. Please read this

https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/10390 ... ck-limits/

Which shows just how arbitrarily the rules are applied. Have a good week

[James Cutting]

Generally speaking, the white lines define the edge of the track, as I said, but you asked if "it extends all the way to the barriers" which it doesn't.

But like I and others have previously said, it is not correctly policed by the FIA. So my original point was correct.

[James Cutting]

I am still confused as to whether the track is just the tarmac or does it extend all the way out to the barriers. (No response necessary)

This was the point I answered for you.

The track limit is the white line which defines the edge of the circuit, but as well as acting as a boundary for the field of play, it is also a key safety feature.

If track limits were not in place, drivers could theoretically make use of all of the asphalt run-off areas that are common to modern F1 tracks in order to find a faster route around the facility.

In theory, they should be relatively easy to police, but, as is often the case in F1, it is never quite as simple as that.

A driver is usually deemed to have ‘exceeded track limits’ if they put all four wheels over the agreed boundary. Although this is usually the white line, the outside edge of the kerbing has previously also been used to mark this point.

[Hurn]

Imagine the outrage on here if it had been Red Bull caught cheating. But it's Mercedes and Ferrari, so 'Hey ho!'

[James Cutting]

There wasn't any cheating, their setups were running too low, so were found in technical infringement. Why the FIA don't check the whole grid whenever they do these checks is beyond me.

[2e1var]

Imagine the outrage on here if it had been Red Bull caught cheating. But it's Mercedes and Ferrari, so 'Hey ho!'

Think you misunderstood my point. As a Lewis fan I'm saying fair cop, no argument from me. Rules are rules.

[slogen51]

Daniel Ricciardo qualified in 15th and finished in 15th place behind Tsunoda ( after the disqualification gifts from Mercedes and Ferrari)

He is not even the best driver at Alphatauri!

[James Cutting]

Well it doesn't help that his strategy was absolutely appalling (not necessarily his own doing) and also the fact he has been away for several races and broke his wrist...

[slogen51]

Guess so I am aware of the broken wrist.

The driver is presumably involved in the strategy especially someone of Ricciardo's experience.

Apparently he picked up damage possibly from Stroll but I think you make your own bad luck and he needs a major turnaround in fortune.

[James Cutting]

He never should've been given the seat IMHO but hey people like the face.

Lawson did a fine job, but it seems RIC is a shoe-in for Perez, who seemingly is out next year despite what all RB claim