Brexit - EU Poll

[onemac]

You may "detest" the EU, but I think you meant "defected"!

This is a typical example of how the recent campaign was fought - by putting words in each others mouths.

General Elections are (generally!) held every 5yrs, and if you don't like the result of No 1 then you can change the situation in No 2.

OTOH, this is a "once and forever" situation, and there will be NO opportunity to ever change it again, even if the next generations really do want to. That is the VERY significant difference. Therefore we must make every effort to ensure that all the country really wants OUT by a very significant margin, but 52 to 48 of 70% of all eligible voters - not to speak of all the people who are as yet too young to vote but who will have to deal with the consequences for the longterm - is NOT a significant margin

Agree there's a significant difference but the majority (i.e. the greater number) voted out. You probably want another referendum (ad infinitum) until the majority get the result you want - bet you won't cry about the result then? The odds are, however, very much against everybody voting the same way.

Then there's those too young to vote. Tough, there's a reason they're not eligibile - live with it. After all, I've had to live with the fact that those eligible to vote at the time voted to join the EEC as it was then

And what makes you think there's NEVER going to be an opportunity to change the result? As I recall the fact remains that we COULD rejoin Europe, albeit with huge odds against it.

But winge away just because your team lost - that's what happens when there's a democratic vote - unless you live in Scotland. Just recently we had our own referendum where, wait for it, anybody resident in Scotland that was eligible could vote whereas those of Scots birth living in the UNITED KINGDOM (my capitals for emphasis, not shouting) were deemed ineligible. How crazy is that? Yes, anybody from the EU community living in Scotland could vote but Scots living in the EU couldn't!

Bet you can't guess how I voted on Thursday?

Al

[jeallen01]

XWP29

Up to now the guys at the top of the EU structure have been making it very clear that Out is Out for Good. Not looked at Article 49 and have not heard of it on any of the news broadcasts, but if it does allow what you say then I bet it would be "crawl on your knees and say pretty, pretty please, can we come back in again" and the terms would then a lot worse than they are under our current membership (especially in view of what has and is still going on and being said).

Finally, "BS Boris" has been continually glossing over how easy, or not, it will be to negotiate good new terms if (hopefully not) we leave. Having had, and voted for (!!) him as Mayor of London, we have heard/seen a lot of how he did things, and some were good but many were not. Therefore I dread to think what would (hopefully it will not) happen if he becomes the new PM.

[ringo747]

Correct OneMac. This idea of running referenda until you get the result you want is madness, undemocratic and simply absurd. Is it not more than obvious that the opposition could then request a counter-referendum to block the previous? All you have is a continuous chain.

The liberal left are always banging on about discrimination but when it suits them (yesterday) it seems perfectly normally to discriminate on age and education!

The other thing that sickens me is all the name calling. Our youth seem to think that name calling is a valid response to views they don't agree with. Additionally, someone doesn't become hateful just because they hold an opposing point of view.

We need to respond to arguments with counter arguments. "Bigot" and "Hateful" are descriptions of personal character, not valid arguments.

[welshandy]

@welshandy

In your post earlier (timed at 08.25) you have used the quotation application wrongly. You have attributed words to me which I never said. Perhaps less haste and more 'preview' from you, before you hit the 'submit' button, will be in order.

No hard feelings and said with respect.

sorry not fully awake

[welshandy]

Cheers Welshandy. I think [in my early morning annoyance at the result] I misinterpreted your post. Apologies for that!.

Thats ok.

[Seafire 47]

Just get over it people it's been decided just chill! and go to the pub! It's Saturday!!.

Without doubt the most sensible post on here.

[jeallen01]

S 47 and others

Well, seems I'm one of the 2 million plus who have already signed the petition and that disagree with you guys, and I strongly suspect that the number will grow hugely in the next few days - it's not whinging to say what I/we believe to be the truth.

OTOH, you guys just go down the pub and enjoy your time. I don't envy you that much because I have more serious things on my mind than sticking my head in the sand and hoping that "it'll be alright on the night" when I draw my pension with all the increases that I don't get because the economy goes down the drain and my kids are asking for help to get some property that might be cheaper but they still can't afford and I can't help them to get it.

[Pune]

Apparently the results of a Referendum are not legally binding, they are merely 'advice from the people' to the Government of the day....they could heed that advice or dismiss it; that's something to make the armchair politicians think about...happy days..

[jeallen01]

Apparently the results of a Referendum are not legally binding, they are merely 'advice from the people' to the Government of the day....they could heed that advice or dismiss it; that's something to make the armchair politicians think about...happy days..

Something for the Brexiters, and all those who did not vote, to ponder - VERY carefully.

And I just saw that BS Boris spent today playing cricket - just WTH is he thinking when he should be doing some constructive as I also saw that Lord Hill, the EU Commissioner responsible for the financial services sector, saying that the Brexit leadership appears to have no plan for how they will deal with the exit processes. Lord Hill had just announced his resignation (obviously he wants no part in it - and I don't blame him in the circumstances)!

[EF-111]

If anyone isn't happy with the outcome then instead of blaming those of us who voted to leave, you should be blaming the 28% of the population who were entitled to vote but didn't!

I have heard people moaning that they were lied to by politicians...welcome to reality!!! Politicians of all parties always have and always will bend the truth to suit their ends.

You are correct Pune a referendum in this country, unlike an election, is only to gauge the public opinion of a subject and can be ignored by politicians.

Only one thing is certain...the world hasn't stopped turning since yesterday morning, and the sun will still rise in the east tomorrow.

Have a good night everyone.

Regards, Steve

[onemac]

S 47 and others

Well, seems I'm one of the 2 million plus who have already signed the petition and that disagree with you guys, and I strongly suspect that the number will grow hugely in the next few days - it's not whinging to say what I/we believe to be the truth.

You're worried - I can accept that, I'm concerned myself but if you think that a petition will change things then you are mistaken. The government decided to put the question to a vote - the majority result stands, get over it. All the petition proves is that there are a couple of million 'Remain' voters that are unhappy - the MAJORITY (again, not shouting but emphasising) are chuffed to fcuk!

I don't envy you that much because I have more serious things on my mind than sticking my head in the sand and hoping that "it'll be alright on the night" when I draw my pension with all the increases that I don't get because the economy goes down the drain and my kids are asking for help to get some property that might be cheaper but they still can't afford and I can't help them to get it.

You know this to be fact? Terms and conditions of the UK leaving the EU have still to be decided and therefore you are just speculating. The more you speculate, the more you appear to be a sore loser despite your beliefs.

Again I ask you to guess which way I voted - cheaper than heading down the pub eh?

Al

[jeallen01]

EF-111
Your 1st para mirrors my comment about those who did not vote.

So, if any of you out there were in that group, then that includes you and so make up your minds about where you want to be.

If that is Remain, then sign the petition as part of the 1st step towards another referendum - 2.5 million and rising fast.

[EF-111]

Jeallen01,

There should be no further referendum on the matter. If 28 % didn't vote that was just as much their right as it was for you (presumably) to vote in, and me to vote out. However, people should accept the result and start to think about the future not just start to sound bitter if it wasn't what they wanted. It is equally likely that those who didn't vote wanted out as in, so there could have been 100% turn out and still with a result of 52-48
If it had been 52% to stay in I wouldn't have been happy about it but I would have accepted the result. That's the way democracy works.

I won't go into all the reasons why I voted out as it's a personal choice.

Regards, Steve

[steve149c]

All,

Maybe someone should start a petition on the Government website

'we the 51.7% of the electorate that voted find it unconstitutional to run a second referendum, as if the Remain camp had won the first one, they would not allow a second. The government cannot rerun public votes until it gets the result it desires'

Steve

[jeallen01]

Jeallen01
I won't go into all the reasons why I voted out as it's a personal choice, but as head of the Commonwealth I think it is wrong that we can't freely trade with other members without the agreement of 27 other nations. Canada's 7+ year trade negotiation being an example of this.

Regards, Steve

The Queen is the titular head of the Commonwealth but one of the ideals thereof is that the members are, more or less TBH, equal - but, equally, each member has its geographically much closer and more closely commercially & financially linked neighbouring countries ( Canada with the US; Australia with Japan, Singapore, Indonesia, China, the US; South Africa with the many countries in the Southern part of the African continent). The latter are more important to them than is the UK - and so they have more important commercial links with those than they have with the UK, which IS 1/2 way across the Globe for some of them.

Commerce is the "life blood" which sustains pretty much every country on the Globe, and that cannot realistically be just a relatively small number of countries across the other side of it - so you do the majority of it with the countries with which you have easy, quick and low cost trading links. For the UK - which is that?

[onemac]

jeallen01,

You don't answer my questions nor question my views. Instead you spout forth rhetoric intended to discredit the result of a democratic vote. You've spat the dummy, thrown teddy out of the cot and now you're involved in a shouting match with the content being far less important than your grief at losing or refusal to accept the democratic process that you've lived with since age 18 and before. It matters not what anybody else thinks as long as you get your point across and the vote overturned. So be it. I understand the type of person you are and for the record I voted to remain in. Unlike you though, I shall refrain from scaremongering without basis of fact or moaning that the wrong decision was made by the majority - again my emphasis, not shouting

Go for it son and watch this thread get locked. Fill yer boots, it won't be long.

Al

[willow70]

I want a petition to have the Tudor victory a the Battle of Bosworth Field reversed in favour of the Yorkists.

This travesty of justice has led to 500 years of misrule by effete southerners. Look at the mess they have got us into. They have given us Knees up Mother Brown, Jellied Eels, Chas n Dave and Eastenders.

The crown needs to be returned to Yorkshire.

If the Queen would relocate to Barnsley, give "Sir"Geoffrey a knighthood, swap the corgis for whippets, the thoroughbreds for racing pigeons and establish Ilkley Moor bar t'at as the National Anthem she can stay on for a while.

Please support me on this. Apparently if we get enough votes we can overturn anything we don't like even if the majority of the population have already voted against it.

[Mike]

I want a petition to have the Tudor victory a the Battle of Bosworth Field reversed in favour of the Yorkists.

This travesty of justice has led to 500 years of misrule by effete southerners. Look at the mess they have got us into. They have given us Knees up Mother Brown, Jellied Eels, Chas n Dave and Eastenders.

The crown needs to be returned to Yorkshire.

If the Queen would relocate to Barnsley, give "Sir"Geoffrey a knighthood, swap the corgis for whippets, the thoroughbreds for racing pigeons and establish Ilkley Moor bar t'at as the National Anthem she can stay on for a while.

Please support me on this. Apparently if we get enough votes we can overturn anything we don't like even if the majority of the population have already voted against it.

Great idea, where do I sign?

[deerhunter]

Right that's it, I've has enough of in, out, up down, happy, unhappy etc etc ,a decision has been made.

Now to the important bit, this Bosworth thing. The Queen is the Duke of Lancashire and Normandy (god bless William)

So let's have none of this Yorkist stuff. Lancashire cheese, Bury black puddings should be made compulsory, clogs the only legal footwear and whippet racing every Sunday.

Right that's it, rant over, sort you selves out or I'm going back to Normandy, raising an army, and coming to sort the mess out,

Anyone for a brew up, si thee owd lad, gissa smile, it'll be a reet tha knows

[onemac]

Feel free to join us all in Scotland. Oh wait, we've just a small matter of Janine Krankie to deal with Where is bosworth anyway? Can I change it's location cos I don't like it?

See, I told you so.....

Al