Electric Cars. Yes No or whatever!

[slogen51]

I choose to own and drive older cars with the oldest 22yo, and newest 14, and i laugh at people i work with when they mock me because of their PCP base model specials. Soon shut them up when they realise my 5 have cost me per month, half of what they are paying a month!


Should the facilities appear, we will look to purchase a Focus sized Hybrid or PHEV, but i dont think technology is there yet for a pure electric vehicle to meet our needs.

Sorry couldn`t resit is this one of yours then ;-))



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... l-56111876

Classic

A Glasgow Limousine.

[Sparts99]

Energy for travel has to come from somewhere, all alternatives to the internal combustion engine are just moving the problem round. Hydrogen production requires huge amounts of electricity, so until that can be generated much more cheaply and cleanly hydrogen won't catch on. Battery production and disposal is an environmental headache. The only solution from an environmental point of view is to reduce demand, but the genie's out the bottle, everyone takes it as a right to travel wherever and however they want, as cheaply as possible. Decent public transport can help a bit but again it has to be viable for the user and actually useful. No easy answers. This might help the problem with air travel but I can see plenty of issues with it.
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[slogen51]

I think it is everyone's right to wander his or her realm and travel the world we are born on. Why not.

If the same effort was put into hydrogen as into battery technology then I bet a solution would be found to split hydrogen away from oxygen for example I already mentioned wind powered electrolysis but not sure if that is feasible

I was reading that the sun shines more energy onto Earth in one hour ( and every hour) than all of the human population uses in one year from hydrocarbons! We have a free nuclear fusion generator but seem unable to store the energy. Ok I get that everything we eat and burn ultimately came from the sun's energy , plants , trees, animals , fossil fuels etc but on a daily basis all the energy from the sun is either lost to the atmosphere or reflected back in to space. We cool our houses in the summer then heat them up in the winter. There must be away to store the heat in a similar manner to a night storeage heater for example

[Thunder]

Until they design an electric car that can get me from Inverness to the South coast or to Glasgow and back on a single charge then I'm not interested. When my car went in for it's service last year the dealer give me a Mercedes E300e Hybrid. The range on electric power alone was 30ish miles which is utter nonsense, however the biggest downfall was that the boot space was rendered useless as that is where the batteries are stored. You couldn't get a large case in there, so no more family holidays. No room for golf clubs so you could rule out most business users with their golfing lifestyle. Infact there wasn't even room for a weekly family shop??? When I challenged the dealership what was behind Mercedes thinking here, they replied that the car suited town driving and dropping kids off at school?? Do you really need or want a £50k plus car to go round the town dropping the kids off and going shopping... I forgot you can't go shopping with it in case you actually buy something.

These people that are so engrossed in perusing the 100% electric no emission car, they are living in cloud cuckoo land, as Sparts99 says above all they're doing is shifting the problem around and making it someone else's problem.

[Sparts99]

I know an engineer at BNFL. He said if they built tidal turbines from Devon to South Wales they could power the whole country, but it would destroy the coast for miles and quite a way inland for the infrastructure so it won't happen. It does show how much energy is out there for exploiting, I think tidal turbines are the answer. Incidentally, BNFL have a load of ready to go Bristol Proteus and Olympus engines, not sure which version. They can use them for quick power generation if the grid has a big loss, but they've never been used, only tested. I have no idea where.

[Vulcan74]

Just being watching ITV Tonight about the change over to electric cars. Personally I wont be in a rush to change to an electric vehicle when they start rolling out, I can see it being plagued by problems for some time! May sound negative but just like the smart meter in your home all the hype in the first place, turned out to be a damp squib in my opinion.

It will be interesting to see what percentage of folks in the UK make the transition to an electric car. I think diesel & petrol cars will be around for a very long time to come!!

[Thunder]

May sound negative........

and positive!! Did you see what I did there, did you see it

[Nighthawke]

Shocking!

[Thunder]

Watt?

[Nighthawke]

Thread drift so we'd better stay current or be charged - no resistence! Ohmy

[slogen51]

AMPle potential for thread drift

[Thunder]

It’s woeful how some members conduct themselves on here

[ArabJazzie]

There is a sine this thread is getting squiggly!

Just being watching ITV Tonight about the change over to electric cars. Personally I wont be in a rush to change to an electric vehicle when they start rolling out, I can see it being plagued by problems for some time! May sound negative but just like the smart meter in your home all the hype in the first place, turned out to be a damp squib in my opinion.

It will be interesting to see what percentage of folks in the UK make the transition to an electric car. I think diesel & petrol cars will be around for a very long time to come!!

Thing is with Smart Meters, did people actually us them to improve the way they used their energy, in turn driving down their bills? The same goes for cars just now and the way we use them, and will anyone who likes the throttle now, treat it any different once settled into their leckie motor?

Thunder, you dont half create yir own lightning eh!

[Malcolm]

I know an engineer at BNFL. He said if they built tidal turbines from Devon to South Wales they could power the whole country, but it would destroy the coast for miles and quite a way inland for the infrastructure so it won't happen. It does show how much energy is out there for exploiting, I think tidal turbines are the answer. Incidentally, BNFL have a load of ready to go Bristol Proteus and Olympus engines, not sure which version. They can use them for quick power generation if the grid has a big loss, but they've never been used, only tested. I have no idea where.

The problem with almost all renewables is they can't be relied on to provide the power when you need it. Solar isn't any good at night. Wind and Wave aren't any good on a calm day. Tidal only works twice a day. There is no simple way to store the amounts of energy required between when it is cheap and easy to generate, and when it's actually required.

I can only see the electric cars thing making the supply worse. Everyone is going to want to charge their cars overnight so they can use them the next day. No solar at night. So on calm winter days you're going to need something to supply the base load overnight. If it can't be coal or gas, then that only leaves nuclear.

[Thunder]

Thunder, you dont half create yir own lightning eh!

I see it as more generate than create

[ArabJazzie]

Thunder, you dont half create yir own lightning eh!

I see it as more generate than create

Sorry, i was actually laughing for once during my reply, or was it OFFS!

[podge]

As an MOT tester we’ve had notifications from DVSA advising us to not test an electric or hybrid vehicle if we have a pacemaker fitted, due to high voltage running around the vehicle (orange cables). Not sure if this applies to people who own these vehicles aswell or just people who work on them. Haven’t heard this from any other source and not aware of anyone who’s had any issues with not taking the advice. Just thought it was worth a mention.

[Richard B]

WIRE)--Innolith AG, the world leader in rechargeable Inorganic Battery Technology, today announces that it is developing world’s first 1000 Wh/kg rechargeable battery. Under development in the company’s German laboratory, the new Innolith Energy Battery would be capable of powering an Electric Vehicle (EV) for over 1000km on a single charge. The Innolith Energy Battery would also radically reduce costs due to the avoidance of exotic and expensive materials combined with the very high energy density of the system.

“The EV revolution is currently stymied by the limitations of available batteries”

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In addition to its range and cost advantages, the Innolith Energy Battery will be the first non-flammable lithium-based battery for use in EVs. The Innolith battery uses a non-flammable inorganic electrolyte, unlike conventional EV batteries that use a flammable organic electrolyte. The switch to non-flammable batteries removes the primary cause of battery fires that have beset the manufacturers of EVs.

“The EV revolution is currently stymied by the limitations of available batteries,” explains Sergey Buchin, CEO of Innolith AG. “Consumers want an adequate range on a single charge in an affordable EV, and confidence that it is not going to catch fire. The Innolith Energy Battery is the breakthrough technology that potentially can meet all these needs.”

Innolith will be bringing the Energy Battery to market via an initial pilot production in Germany, followed by licensing partnerships with major battery and automotive companies. Development and commercialisation of the Innolith Energy Battery is anticipated to take between three and five years.

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"This new breakthrough has been made possible by years of dedicated research into all aspects of inorganic electrolytes and their application to rechargeable batteries," comments Innolith Chairman, Alan Greenshields. "Simply put, the experience gained in how to build high power batteries with exceptional robustness and cycle life has proved to be the right basis for building high energy products too. The absence of organic materials, a key aspect of Innolith’s battery technology, removes the critical source of safety risk and chemical instability of high energy batteries. It all fell into place in 2018 from an R&D perspective, with several extraordinary breakthroughs."

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Innolith has already proven the breakthrough character of non-flammable, inorganic rechargeable batteries with its first product, a Grid-Scale Power Battery that is used today in the PJM grid in the US to provide fast frequency regulation services. The chemistry used in this battery has been proven to operate for more than 55,000 full depth of discharge cycles, which is between 10 and 100 times the maximum number of cycles of existing Li-ion batteries in use today.

[Nighthawke]

The battery technolgy is improving all the time. Mass production at a low cost is the bigger issue there but then the same applies to other technologies too. The bigger issue by far for EVs is having enough electricity supply and at a fast rate when it is needed.

In a pure EV world the petrol/diesel stations will become charging stations. However the problem is having enough capacity in the distribution network to supply the demand. That in turn means more generation which has already been mentioned above.Building infrastructure isn't the hard part, having enough power is.

EV is an exciting area for DNOs (Distribution Network Operators) but a very challenging one.

[Richard B]

I know an engineer at BNFL. He said if they built tidal turbines from Devon to South Wales they could power the whole country, but it would destroy the coast for miles and quite a way inland for the infrastructure so it won't happen. It does show how much energy is out there for exploiting, I think tidal turbines are the answer. Incidentally, BNFL have a load of ready to go Bristol Proteus and Olympus engines, not sure which version. They can use them for quick power generation if the grid has a big loss, but they've never been used, only tested. I have no idea where.

The problem with almost all renewables is they can't be relied on to provide the power when you need it. Solar isn't any good at night. Wind and Wave aren't any good on a calm day. Tidal only works twice a day. There is no simple way to store the amounts of energy required between when it is cheap and easy to generate, and when it's actually required.

I can only see the electric cars thing making the supply worse. Everyone is going to want to charge their cars overnight so they can use them the next day. No solar at night. So on calm winter days you're going to need something to supply the base load overnight. If it can't be coal or gas, then that only leaves nuclear.

Thing with the nuclear plants they love the night time use,
It costs lots of time waste of energy and not good for the reactor,
Why years ago when these came online, people where encouraged to use power at night,
Economy 7, who remembers that. Stick your washing machine on at night and heat your hot water from the emerson heater at night and we will give you cheaper leccy.

A nuke reactor runs best at a constant,
Takes time to throttle the reactor back off peak and the same throttle it up at peak.
They hate it and so do the energy companies that run them.

With most house hold appliances now very more energy efficient,
Silly councils turning street lighting off at night, its does not help or save money,

So charge at night aint a bad thing.


Funny was thinking back to this type of conversation or topic, 20 odd years ago when all us
On these forums, was told film cameras are dead and the end of film.
You all have to go digital.
Blimey the forums back then was very much like this topic.
Those saying it would not work not got the quality I'm staying with film.etc etc.

To expensive poor battery life, memory not big enough. Pictures won't last.
The things coming out was very much like lots of negatives we see on this topic.

Look 20 years on and how digital cameras have changed things.