Brexit - EU Poll

[quid21]

Do you have a relevant point? No, thought not,
Good bye.

My wife will lose her job because of this vote (and that's definite). People may think, yeah business as normal, but for others like me and my wife, we are going to struggle.

So take your attitude somewhere else.

[TankBuster]

Stay or leave, either way there were changes coming & by voting to leave we will now be able to decide what those changes will be, rather than having them forced upon us by the EU.

We as a nation haven't pulled the shutters down, we've just opened a new door of opportunities for ourselves! Rule Britannia!!!

TankBuster

[Sparts99]

Stay or leave, either way there were changes coming & by voting to leave we will now be able to decide what those changes will be, rather than having them forced upon us by the EU.

We as a nation haven't pulled the shutters down, we've just opened a new door of opportunities for ourselves! Rule Britannia!!!

TankBuster

by leaving we are walking away from the ability to have a say in those changes, I don't understand how by not being in the EU, we decide on them. The world's biggest market is on our doorstep and we've just given them a very British two fingered salute, think they'll be happy with that? As said previously in this thread the EU is waking up to the fact that people have had enough, and they know they have to change, the result of the referendum will send that message loud and clear, other countries will be watching to see how the EU responds. It can either respond punitively to make the countries that are watching think it'd be worse to leave, or if Boris (he will be PM, who else is there, God help us if Gove or IDS end up in charge) plays it cleverly we could get a good deal from the EU for the UK and/or force reform, but the price would be not leaving. Listen carefully to the speech he gave this morning. If he gets a good deal and ends up staying he will appease a lot of those who wanted to leave, and will please those like me who wanted to stay.

[Thunder]

Overall a disastrous day for the UK. Rather than be an United Kingdom and all pull together to maybe better ourselves, we now have countries/politicians within calling for Indy Refs, a new PM, Labour will follow suit and get rid of Corbyn and a General Election within 18 mths. All this and at the same time negotiate our exit from the EU. Bleak days ahead...................

[C24]

Our cup is half empty or half full. A lot can happen in two years. As one door closes, so may many others. An opportunity for the Country to exploit the World situation. Over-population, global warming, asteroids, another Tambora-like eruption, what else?
Our hand has been shown to the World. On to the solution.

Some reading about the forthcoming process.
http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/the ... rticle-50/

Soon be RIAT. (It might rain on all four days).
We should change the process for Parliamentary voting while we are in the mood.

Edit. Thanks Gary

[quid21]

by voting to leave we will now be able to decide what those changes will be, rather than having them forced upon us by the EU.

TankBuster

No they will be forced on us by our own government.

[Pete_uk]

by voting to leave we will now be able to decide what those changes will be, rather than having them forced upon us by the EU.

TankBuster

No they will be forced on us by our own government.

Which we at least have a say in...

[hertsman]

My last post derided politicians for claiming they could predict the future of our economy. My own prediction (win for remain) proved every bit as unreliable. I was therefore more than a little surprised at the news we all awoke to this morning. Surprised, but not triumphant.

The nature of the vote was polarised, in or out, but I suspect that many voters of either persuasion were something like 55/45 for their choice. With 48% voting stay a very sizeable chunk of the electorate did not get what they, on balance, wanted. The 48% of remainers and the 52% of outers are not enemies, despite the too-often base nature of the debate. Take a bow everyone who voted - a 72% turnout is a great example of democracy in action. We are all proud Brits who want the best for our country but who just have a different view on how that is to be achieved. Properly lead, there is now huge opportunity to revitalise the country to a different way of doing things. We can't rely on others to do them for us. In or out no one else owes us a living. We have to be innovative, bold, risk-taking, imaginative and outward looking. Above all we have to continue to work our little cotton socks off.

While I expect to hear some muttering about the EU exacting retribution, if it is truly to revive itself as a powerful and successful economy, the hard-headed and pragmatic amongst its leaders must reject that outright. The UK and the Continent share this part of the globe, we are good and (on the whole) friendly neighbours. It is massively in the interests of both parties that we continue to cooperate on matters of mutual interest and, of course, to trade. True, we now have more opportunities to broaden our horizons if we are bold enough, but that should in addition to, not instead of, existing ties.

While I suspect that Cameron had to go, I would have preferred that he had stayed for longer than a few months. A bit more stability at a volatile time would not have gone amiss.

Time to close. I can't think of a better way of signing off than deerhunter's earlier post:

'Keep happy, keep smiling, face the future with a positive outlook, we are ALL part of a great nation'

hertsman

[jeallen01]

FYI, there is now a petition to the Government for a 2nd poll - see here:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

I voted on Thursday to remain, and have just signed the petition as I REALLY don't want the UK to leave because - for all its many failings - the EU (previously the Iron & Steel Community and then the EEC and EC) has done a lot to cement stability in Europe over the last 60+ years.

With NATO, it is an essential part of the "glue" that has brought people together and resist strong Right-and Left-Wing politicians and rabble-rousers' effort to fragment society - which NATO itself cannot do because that is not its function (nor would governments allow it to become).

Putin loves the idea of European fragmentation because it would make his job easier (remember "divide and conquer"!)

[Pen Pusher]

So the majority of the UK population that voted have spoken but you want another referendum, and another, and another until the result suits you.

If you want to remain in the EU, you could always move across the channel and live there.

Brian

[jeallen01]

Majority? - 4% is not a real majority because the numbers of those who did not vote, or could not vote because they had not quite reached voting age, was much greater than 4%!

Also, from all the stuff on TV, I've been seeing that many of those who voted "Out" were - like me, I would add, and I suspect also a lot others on this forum! - of pension age and to whom the idea of "little England" or getting back to "the way we were" is very appealing - but I would love to know what they think they will get (apart from, likely, higher costs, more expensive foreign holidays and stagnant/lower pensions!).

They/we/me are not the real future for this country, because it is the younger generations who will have to deal with what they encounter in the future, not "us" - and a large majority of those want to remain because their future prosperity depends on being a real part of Europe.

To put some of my comments into perspective, my career was in the electrical, electronics and defence industrie, working mainly to help UK exporters sell their products abroad - and the lowering of technical barriers to trade was a long and very painful process, and forced some countries, especially in Europe, to radically change their local requirements to meet the EU-wide ones. Achievements like that take concerted political pressure which can only come from some form of centralised body(ies) such as the EU Parliament and Commission - and the ability of Europe as a whole to negotiate trade agreements with large countries Worldwide (such as China and the US) gives it far more clout than if the negotiations had to be made between individual small countries and those large countries - remember what POTUS said a few days ago, and then again yesterday, BREXIT means we "go to the back of the queue" for negotiating deals with the US!

[Thunder]

The whole campaign for both sides was very poor and ill informed and mis-leading, all people were caring about about was immigration this immigration that.

Now the details come out of what will change and what we'll lose, a lot of people will regret putting that cross next to 'leave'.

[jeallen01]

The whole campaign for both sides was very poor and ill informed and mis-leading, all people were caring about about was immigration this immigration that.

Now the details come out of what will change and what we'll lose, a lot of people will regret putting that cross next to 'leave'.

Don't I ever agree!

[deerhunter]

I don't regret putting my cross where I did and never will.

I based my decision on what information I had. That is, did I want MY country ruled by unelected overpaid grandees, did I want the bank of Englend being ruled by Germany, did I want a European, army, navy, airforce. Did I want to keep my independance, etc etc, did I want control of my border. Etc

It's over now, we all had a vote, if you voted well done , if not, that's your hard luck. We now have to move forward.

It might be hard in the future, it might not. Just remember all the "experts" who foretold of the dire consequences if we didnt join the euro, time shows how wrong they were.

I'm sorry for those who it will affect badly. Whenever there is a vote ( and thank god we have a vote and free speach) people are affected, you can't please everyone

Who knows what the future holds, as I said before keep happy, etc. Best wishes to all no matter how you voted, above all just thank god we had a choice.

Dave

[Thunder]

The same thing happened after the last Scottish Indy Ref. SNP were all promises of the 'promised land' before and during the campaign, thankfully they lost as no sooner than a few weeks afterwards, their manifesto was unraveled to reveal nothing but a pack of lies based on very wishful thinking.

Britain is f***ed, we are now falling down the ladder on every scale out there and it will takes years to get back to a level we were at on Wednesday, if we ever do.

Bank of England ruled by Germany, really......
European Army/Air Force was dismissed as it would never happen.
Independence??? Britain has been Independent since............... the Romans left

[deerhunter]

Never say never

On a lighter note, what did the Romans ever do for us

[EGDR]

I signed the petition. I'm not that enthused about another referendum but there seriously needs to be a lot of debate over how we can go forward in a way that can suit everyone as much as possible.

With the result so narrow, neither side can effectively claim a mandate for their choice, as it would always be going against half of the nation. Complicating this further, we are now facing the potential end of the United Kingdom.

If any time there was an argument to get me to support compulsory voting it was yesterday. 62% of those eligible did not vote to leave the EU. Whether those non-voters would be a majority for out or in, we may never know, but we should have known.

[jeallen01]

Something else I forgot to mention before:

If the £ stays low against the $US because we are "Out", then those P-8's (which we really need) and F-35s (whether we do actually need them or not - personally I think Canada is right to strongly consider more Super Hornets instead for variety of reasons that might apply to the UK as well, e.g. range, load, twin seat 18G for long missions like UK QAR over the Atlantic & North Sea) are going to cost the UK a lot more than bargained for and so the orders might have to be reduced.

Same might apply to any airlines that are buying from the US.

A "Hometruth" on this forum.

[Pen Pusher]

If the £ stays low against the $US because we are "Out", then those P-8's (which we really need) and F-35s (whether we do actually need them or not - personally I think Canada is right to strongly consider more Super Hornets instead for variety of reasons that might apply to the UK as well, e.g. range, load, twin seat 18G for long missions like UK QAR over the Atlantic & North Sea) are going to cost the UK a lot more than bargained for and so the orders might have to be reduced.

Of all the problems involved in Brexit, your worried about a few aeroplanes.

Brian

[John W]

I signed the petition. I'm not that enthused about another referendum but there seriously needs to be a lot of debate over how we can go forward in a way that can suit everyone as much as possible.

With the result so narrow, neither side can effectively claim a mandate for their choice, as it would always be going against half of the nation. Complicating this further, we are now facing the potential end of the United Kingdom.

If any time there was an argument to get me to support compulsory voting it was yesterday. 62% of those eligible did not vote to leave the EU. Whether those non-voters would be a majority for out or in, we may never know, but we should have known.

What the world saw last Thursday, was Democracy in Action.

What we are seeing now is a lot of people crying and stamping their feet because the didn't get their own way.

Regards,

John