9th June. A hung Parliament.

[willow70]

I think that the two advisors to May that got binned today were the problem along with May taking their advice to have an election. Then alienating the core Conservative voters OAPs etc. It will be Boris v Worzel Corbyn next time ,its a Shame that Nigel Farage did not jump to the Torys at least he was fun and would have floored Corbyn at a TV debate.

[TankBuster]

UKIP would have done so much better if Farage was still in the driving seat, they wouldn't have won the election but would certainly have done better than they did. As controversial as he was, Mr Farage did actually talk a lot of sense and said exactly what a lot of people were thinking, the UKIP party has certainly lost that attraction now that he's gone. He'd have got my vote had he still been there!

As for Corbyn, well what he was offering is nothing short of laughable! He was however a very clever and crafty man by offering candy to reel voters in, especially to the younger voters, and that was candy which nobody would have ever received. If we had ended up with a Labour government then it wouldn't have been too far down the line before people realised that they'd been conned. Corbyn's policies sound nice, but in the long run they would have without doubt put the country into severe financial difficulty.

At this moment in time politics really divide this country and its such a shame. I reckon we should bring back Oliver Cromwell to sort it all out .

TankBuster

[willow70]

Here Is Nigel on Fox Money explaining the election to some Americans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ytxNAbiqVs
I bet if Corbyn had won he would have thrown the USAF out of the UK so we may just have got this years RIAT then that would be it.

[Sparts99]

To my mind Farage said what people wanted to hear just as much as Corbyn did. He's a political player just like all the others, and because the Tories got scared of him we had the referendum which has led us to where we are now. An incompetent party (barely) in government with an ineffective opposition.

[Rugbyref]

Treat with caution, as it is only heresay so far, but apparently there are significant numbers of students bragging that they voted twice - once at home and once at their university constituency, once in person, the other by post. If true,, massive fines will follow. Corruption as well as bribery?

[baz1]

if true lets hope that is looked into and rectified!?

[bizfreeq]

There is a petition calling for a full and thorough investigation here:
https://www.change.org/p/uk-electoral-c ... fraud-2017

[willow70]

Fraud in elections in the UK is far too easy both sides have been up to it over the years . http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -says.html

It needs an in depth investigation into these latest claims and there may be a social media trail back to Momentum etc.

[bobthehandyman]

all very good posts, and most of it I agree with, which is weird as there are different points of view, but May really didn't run a good election campaign, and Corbyn just connected better, but to be honest, he wasn't. Yes he told youngsters what they wanted to hear, and got them out to vote for Labour, but at 53 I do remember Labour spending money and the effect on the uk was high inflation, high unemployment and strike after strike after strike.

And nothing is free in life, somewhere someone is paying for it....

[Alfie]

Sorry I've just caught up with this topic Paddyboy wrote about terrorist sympathizes, what does he think the DUP is made up with, plus the sitting Tory Croydon Councillor Maria Gatland – once known as Maria McGuire who was actually a member of the IRA one of her quotes 2I agree with the shooting of British soldiers and believe the more that are killed the better" and freely admits to gun running for them and was also the partner of a very prominent IRA member one Dáithí Ó Conaill As for the national debt quote "The key measure (public sector net debt) rose from £960 billion in April 2010, just before the coalition government was elected, to £1.5 trillion five years later. This means the debt has increased by just over 50%, not doubled." But of course our unbiased national press wouldn't play on any of these facts would there.

[paddyboy]

Alfie make a very good couple of salient points

I still wouldn't want that pacifist, left-wing dinosaur, Michael Foot incarnate, in charge of the defence of my Queen and my country

FULL STOP

[willow70]

Worzels record takes some beating:-

Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.

Attended darn Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.

Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.

Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.

Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.

Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.

Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.

Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.

Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.

Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.

Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.

Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.

Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.

Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.

Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.

Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.

Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.

Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.

Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.

Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.

Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.

Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.

Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.

Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.

Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.

Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.

Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.

Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.

Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.

Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.

Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.

Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.

Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.

Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.

Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.

Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.

Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.

Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.

Opposed shoot to kill.

Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.

Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.

Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.

Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.

Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.

Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.

Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.

Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.

Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.

Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.

Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.

Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.

Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.

Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.

Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.

Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.

Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.

Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.

Received endorsement from Hamas.

Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.

Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.

Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.

Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.

Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.

Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.

Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.

Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.

Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.

Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.

Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.

Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.

Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.

Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.

Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.

Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.

Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.

Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.

Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.

Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.

Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.

Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.

Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.

Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.

Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.

Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.

Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.

Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.

Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.

Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.

Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.

Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.

Voted against banning support for the IRA.

Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.

Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.

Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.

Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.

Voted against banning al-Qaeda.

Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.

Voted against control orders.

Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

Why did he get Millions of votes, with that record he should have got a couple of dozen tops.

[The Phantom]

So you're saying he's a bit of a barsteward then!!

Yes frightening thing is how besotted people are with him and will readily vote for such a person who has clearly proved over several decades that he
hates our country and all his efforts and sympathies are for foreign terrorist groups!

[Alfie]

But as far as I know he has never wanted to form an alliance with a party started by a bunch of ex-loyalist terrorist to keep himself in power in a hung parliament. What Phantom must remember that one person terrorist is another person freedom fighter. I don't hold with acts of violence in any form. I would have thought the Third Reich would have thought of the French Resistance as terrorist carrying out terrorist attacks, but rightly so we hold them as hero's defending their occupied country everything is not black & white as things seem and both sides must be looked at, which is something our national press is not in a habit of doing.

[Macc]

But as far as I know he has never wanted to form an alliance with a party started by a bunch of ex-loyalist terrorist to keep himself in power in a hung parliament. What Phantom must remember that one person terrorist is another person freedom fighter. I don't hold with acts of violence in any form. I would have thought the Third Reich would have thought of the French Resistance as terrorist carrying out terrorist attacks, but rightly so we hold them as hero's defending their occupied country everything is not black & white as things seem and both sides must be looked at, which is something our national press is not in a habit of doing.

I think it is scary how much everyone believes everything they read which corresponds to what they already think. It seems that people don't search for what is going on but any form of confirmation that is concurrent with their already present beliefs and dismisses the bad sides of their own as 'not as bad'. There isn't much objectivity, I noticed it a lot reading about the fire in London this morning. Which doesn't seem to be brought up much on here unlike a terrorist attack despite it being a disaster on the same scale and seemingly caused by a whole plethora of people in the housing industry and politicians.

[deerhunter]

I'm bored !!!!

[Sparts99]

Quite a list Willow70, but some have been proven to be factually incorrect, some he has sinced apologised for the language he used as inappropriate and sent the wrong message and if the whole speeches those quotes are taken from were quoted that'd make sense, and a lot of the others are taken seriously out of context. I don't have time to fact check everything everyone says about politicians but when I do look into what people are alleged to have said and supported or done I nearly always find the truth isn't as presented. Normally he wouldn't be my favourite to run the country but in the short term a better alternative to vaccilating May in my view, who's position is now so weak (especially the threats from within her own party) anything she does will be compromised by her desire to stay in power at any cost. The likes of Johnson, Fallon & Gove in positions of serious power going into the Brexit negotiations really isn't good in my opinion.

[Tally-ho]

The likes of Johnson, Fallon & Gove in positions of serious power going into the Brexit negotiations really isn't good in my opinion.

The likes of Thornberry, Griffith and Hayman (has anyone heard of the last two) as the shadow spokespeople of those you mention, are no better, probably worse.