US pausing Military aid to Ukraine

[Tally-ho]

Yes Tally-ho we get it - America are unwilling to help unless they get paid.

If I may -
- The benefits of an agreement / deal on mining of Rare Earth minerals goes both ways. US infrastructure and personnel will be all over the country and it will be long term - mining is a long term business. For Putin to attack, if US economic interests and civilian contractors are in danger or in harms way, opens a new can of worms. Putin will know that. And Trump knows that Putin will know that.

[slogen51]

Yes American trade would definitely be beneficial to the Ukraine, no doubt about that - especially as these rare earths everyone keeps talking about are valuable in high tech industries which seem to be dominated by Chinese companies especially in the area of batteries. Are Americans keen for the war to stop, it seems under any circumstances for global economic reasons or do you think Trump really cares what happens to Ukraine people and wants to stop the killing?

I apologize if I sound like a smart arse but it's difficult to discuss this within the background of the media fuss over Tump's rhetoric

I see from the Heads up section that Jake 17 is currently on a mission somewhere east of Poland so maybe intelligence sharing is back on the table or they are keeping it to themselves? They have a flight plan over NATO countries so I assume they should be sharing information with NATO partners

Paradoxically ( playing Scrabble again) all this aggravation that America is involved with Isolation, Tariffs , Ukraine, Gaza - Israel) is just making China - Russia's soulmate - stronger politically and economically by driving counties to for partnerships with them such as BRICS

[Tally-ho]

Are Americans keen for the war to stop it seems under any circumstances for global economic reasons or do you think Trump really cares what happens to Ukraine people and wants to stop the killing?

I apologize if I sound like a smart arse but it's difficult to discuss this within the background of the media fuss over Tump's rhetoric

No, no smart arse, you're on topic . . .
The American taxpayer has had enough of funding the war - the landslide election of Trump is an indicator. Trump cares about young lives, he has said so openly many times.

[slogen51]

That is good - young lives matter and Trump appeals and is focused on American working people ( voters) but he seems to be taking the country back into a period of benign isolation

To be honest that could be a good thing after all the wars and what happened in Afghanistan but I worry who will fill the super power void - it could be Europe who step in, working peacefully or in harmony with China and India

These really are unprecedented times - you can guarantee Russia and China will be discussing all this at a very high level

[cat1]

On Americans feelings about support for Ukraine

Poll from pew research centre

22% say America isn't doing enough, 23% say it's fine as it is and 30% say that America is giving too much

[Rob666]

If it’s all about money which is all Trump seems to like in his pathetic life why pause the sharing of intelligence with Ukraine and we all see the demands on Ukraine, why not share what is faults are on Russia?

[Malcy]

So what is the point of a treaty if it can be just ignored?

I hear you and your point is valid.

…BLAH BLAH…

Enter Trump who is now tackling it head-on . .

PS. Similar in some ways to trying to untangle the Union between England and Scotland

Oh dear Tally-ho, you appear to have so much to say but very little gravitas.

I take offence at your use of “Z” (way back on page 1) to refer to the Ukrainian President. I don’t suppose you are ignorant of the fact that the letter painted was front and centre on Russian military vehicles in the ‘Special Military Operation’.

Trump tackling things head on is very concerning considering his ability to surround himself with buffoons of the highest “gung ho” capabilities.

A man who stands in US Congress and makes a speech which confuses transgenic mice with transgender mice is a moron.

You have a lot to say fella. I’m not keen on your enthusiastic use of ‘free speech’ over here to lecture us on various ‘tid bits’ you have hand picked to foment ‘debate’ or get a reply. Your views are interesting but not at all challenging considering the issues the USA has on and within its own borders which it has struggled to respond to and deal with effectively for many many decades.

It would be lovely to see you spend time warming beans around your own camp fire rather than harping on about our problems on this side of the pond.

You touched on the Union between Scotland and England - I’d advise you to please just step away from that one Joe. You are not clever and you are not funny.

Respectfully looking forward to the day you wind your neck in and step away from the Trumpist ‘blow hard’ mode.

As they say in Scotland (and other parts of the UK) - the emptiest vessels make the most noise.

[KevinJ]

If Trump has to withdraw military support and intelligence to a country being illegally invaded to get his "deal" then he's already lost the argument.

[James Cutting]

So what is the point of a treaty if it can be just ignored?

I hear you and your point is valid.

…BLAH BLAH…

Enter Trump who is now tackling it head-on . .

PS. Similar in some ways to trying to untangle the Union between England and Scotland

Oh dear Tally-ho, you appear to have so much to say but very little gravitas.

I take offence at your use of “Z” (way back on page 1) to refer to the Ukrainian President. I don’t suppose you are ignorant of the fact that the letter painted was front and centre on Russian military vehicles in the ‘Special Military Operation’.

Trump tackling things head on is very concerning considering his ability to surround himself with buffoons of the highest “gung ho” capabilities.

A man who stands in US Congress and makes a speech which confuses transgenic mice with transgender mice is a moron.

You have a lot to say fella. I’m not keen on your enthusiastic use of ‘free speech’ over here to lecture us on various ‘tid bits’ you have hand picked to foment ‘debate’ or get a reply. Your views are interesting but not at all challenging considering the issues the USA has on and within its own borders which it has struggled to respond to and deal with effectively for many many decades.

It would be lovely to see you spend time warming beans around your own camp fire rather than harping on about our problems on this side of the pond.

You touched on the Union between Scotland and England - I’d advise you to please just step away from that one Joe. You are not clever and you are not funny.

Respectfully looking forward to the day you wind your neck in and step away from the Trumpist ‘blow hard’ mode.

As they say in Scotland (and other parts of the UK) - the emptiest vessels make the most noise.

Hit the nail on the head there!

[Hurn]

Oh dear Tally-ho, you appear to have so much to say but very little gravitas.

I take offence at your use of “Z” (way back on page 1) to refer to the Ukrainian President. I don’t suppose you are ignorant of the fact that the letter painted was front and centre on Russian military vehicles in the ‘Special Military Operation’.

Trump tackling things head on is very concerning considering his ability to surround himself with buffoons of the highest “gung ho” capabilities.

A man who stands in US Congress and makes a speech which confuses transgenic mice with transgender mice is a moron.

You have a lot to say fella. I’m not keen on your enthusiastic use of ‘free speech’ over here to lecture us on various ‘tid bits’ you have hand picked to foment ‘debate’ or get a reply. Your views are interesting but not at all challenging considering the issues the USA has on and within its own borders which it has struggled to respond to and deal with effectively for many many decades.

It would be lovely to see you spend time warming beans around your own camp fire rather than harping on about our problems on this side of the pond.

You touched on the Union between Scotland and England - I’d advise you to please just step away from that one Joe. You are not clever and you are not funny.

Respectfully looking forward to the day you wind your neck in and step away from the Trumpist ‘blow hard’ mode.

As they say in Scotland (and other parts of the UK) - the emptiest vessels make the most noise.

I've had very little to say in this thread, mainly because no-one here can change anything, no-one is going to change their opinion, and it all just inevitably ends up going round in circles anyway.

However, I wont sit by and say nothing to someone trying to silence another forum member from making comments, no matter how passive aggressively they try to do it!

You don't have to agree with what he says, and are free to challenge it, but you don't have the right to try and make him shut up just because you don't like what he's saying or how he's saying it.

As you were.

[cat1]

Starmer has just said that the UK will play a leading part in the security of Ukraine

what utter drivel. we cant do anything to secure anyone before we begin to secure ourselves.

We have nothing to send, either because we desperately need it (manpower) or because its already been sent across (Javelins/MANPADS)

[slogen51]

Ok keep it respectful

Malky there is no point making only one contribution and immediately breaking the FC Rules! "Wind your Neck in " Really ?

Everyone will probably have a different slant on this and obviously entitled to their own opinions and crud is going to slip past the mods in an otherwise lively debate but verbal abuse or trying to make people feel bad just won't be tolerated

Criticism or being rude to public figures is a different matter as they sign up for it - Starmer is in a lose lose situation - increase taxes to spend on defence probably won't go down well with messrs Reeves and Rayner

[cat1]

Ok keep it respectful

Malky there is no point making only one contribution and immediately breaking the FC Rules! "Wind your Neck in " Really ?

Everyone will probably have a different slant on this and obviously entitled to their own opinions and crud is going to slip past the mods in an otherwise lively debate but verbal abuse or trying to make people feel bad just won't be tolerated

Criticism or being rude to public figures is a different matter as they sign up for it - Starmer is in a lose lose situation - increase taxes to spend on defence probably won't go down well the messrs Reeves and Rayner

Understood.

But trying to say the UK can play a leading role is like claiming we can go to the moon in two weeks time.

Impossible!

[Philly1971]

Changing the subject slightly, Slogen mentioned Jake had flown over Europe the other day, so wondering, since the US have announced they are not sharing info with Ukraine, has either the US or UK Rivet Joints flown towards the Black Sea area since, and more importantly doesn’t the RAF jet get topped up by the US tanker from Mildenhall before heading off? Assuming that it is going off to the Black Sea area, will the US still provide tanker support if they know where it is heading and that we will share info with Ukraine?

[Tally-ho]

Oh dear Tally-ho > > >

A spirited post by you!

Mate, fasten your seatbelt, or in Trump parlance "I am only getting started".

[KevinJ]

"For clarity: Trump’s decision to halt the sharing of U.S. intelligence with Ukraine means that American satellites will witness Russian bombers taking off with missiles aimed at civilian buildings, hospitals, energy, and transport infrastructure and U.S. authorities will consciously choose to watch rather than warn the Ukrainians of what’s about to happen. We will remember this."

[baz1]

"For clarity: Trump’s decision to halt the sharing of U.S. intelligence with Ukraine means that American satellites will witness Russian bombers taking off with missiles aimed at civilian buildings, hospitals, energy, and transport infrastructure and U.S. authorities will consciously choose to watch rather than warn the Ukrainians of what’s about to happen. We will remember this."

Trump is as bad as Putin and Aiding and Abetting Russia killing inoccent people he should be held for war crimes?

[KevinJ]

History will be very unkind to Trump, his type never prosper in the long run.

[Hurn]

Trump is as bad as Putin and Aiding and Abetting Russia killing inoccent people he should be held for war crimes?

No, you're talking utter nonsense.

[KevinJ]

War crimes is overkill but his decision to withdraw Intel on Russian attacks on civilian targets will mean that civilians will get killed, that's disgusting. Where is his reciprocal pressure on Russia?