EV battery info

[C24]

https://blog.evbox.com/uk-en/ev-battery-weight

[adderman]

Has anyone registered 'MyElectricClaim.com' yet as the next instalment of the compensation industry.
Poor range, fire hazard, extra wear on tyres, cost of fast charging etc etc etc.

[Nighthawke]

Anyone daft enough to buy without researching any/all of the above deserves all they get!

[paddyboy]

Well said Ian

[H.A.Bucken]

Confession: I've not read all of the article as I'd like to think my next (last?) car comes with a set of Weber side-draughts.
I must have posted summat about EVs in the past (and to regional papers), but this 2030 idea wasn't thought through. Even this morning on the BBC Today program I think it was the Home Sec being grilled about whether the sale of i.c.e. vehicles will be relaxed beyond 2030- usual polly tishuns' reply.
And. Took my car for it's 'medical' earlier this month and remarked to the examiner about this; he's near adamant new petrol and diesel vehicles will be available after that date.
As I've written 100s of times before, how many households live in Georgian through to the 1920s terraces? Mine is of fifty in a cul-d-sac; there's room for 22 of what were average sized cars 25 years ago. Means of charging from home? As I say, not thought through.
"Scenic in the Mist", aka Roger

[roger4]

Whether we will be able to buy ICE cars after 2030 also depends on the manufacturers. Even if the UK did away with its plan, the EU has an equivalent one allbeit with a 2035 implementation date, and manufacturers are not going to build ICE cars just for the UK market. They are all in the process of investing £zillions to converting to EV production, and it may be that they stop making ICE cars before 2030: they certainly will not want to end up with any stock of unsellable ICE cars after that. Already, about one on three Minis coming off the Oxford assembly line (where my son-in-law works) are EV models.

But if it doesn't change, presumably we can go back to buying cars in Belgium and importing them, at least until the EU ban on ICE cars comes into force in 2035!

I have no regrets about buying my EV last year, but I am lucky that I can charge it at home on my drive, and I live within a mile of more than 20 high capacity chargers, should I need a rapid charge anytime. And even if I do use a rapid charger, as I have on odd occasions away from home, it is still cheaper per mile for electricity than the petrol for the ICE car it replaced.

[jimbo]

Hasn't the EU, thanks to Germany and Italy now gone back on the 2035 date and compromised that ICE cars can be sold after that date but must be able to run on only BIO / Synthetic fuels

[Tooks]

New hybrid petrol or diesel cars will still be available to buy after 2030 until 2035 here in the UK anyway, and of course perfectly serviceable used ICE vehicles will be available to buy for at least a decade after that.

There’s a lot of fear and scaremongering out there around EVs, particularly at the moment, and we should think about who is putting it out there and why.

As for the charging question for those without driveways, every car spends a great deal of its time parked up doing nothing, that’s the obvious place to recharge them.

It’s really not an impossible to solve issue, indeed I’d have thought the jobs created as a result of coming up with a solution and implementing it would be welcome.

[adderman]

Always wondered why nobody developed a small foldable solar panel. Then you could spread it across the windsreen like a sun-shield, plugging the other end into a slot on the dash so the car trickle-charges itself. Even a few hours during the day while you're working should give a little bit more range.

[XWP29]

https://www.theecoexperts.co.uk/electri ... r-charging

[Tooks]

Always wondered why nobody developed a small foldable solar panel. Then you could spread it across the windsreen like a sun-shield, plugging the other end into a slot on the dash so the car trickle-charges itself. Even a few hours during the day while you're working should give a little bit more range.

Some manufacturers have integrated small solar panels onto things like spoilers (eg Nissan Leaf) but they’re aimed at keeping the 12v battery topped up, rather than the high voltage traction battery (HV).

I found a dash top solar panel on Amazon that’s rated at 4.5w, so over a 10 hour sunny day (excluding any charging losses) it would generate 0.045kWh, which even if you could get it into the HV battery would only be enough to move a modern EV consuming 1kWh for every 3.5 miles approx 2.5 metres…

Whilst it’s perfectly possible to charge an EV from a several kWh house rooftop array via an inverter (and lots of people do) the surface area of your average passenger car just isn’t big enough to generate any meaningful energy to recharge the HV battery vs the cost of such a system.

[adderman]

Oh well. That blows my theory then.
My 8yo petrol will have to limp on for another few years.

[Sparts99]

EVs are a stop gap solution, and a poor one at that. Until we generate all our electricity from carbon free sources its only moving the CO2 problem around. There isn't enough raw material on the planet to replace all ICE vehicles with EVs, aside from which are the environmental problems associated with cobalt and lithium mining. Last time I looked into it Portugal has Europe's biggest reserves of lithium but the local government in the region where it would be mined have blocked the mine and quarries on environmental grounds. Added to this there isn't a good way of disposing of spent batteries.

Hydrogen isn't viable for smaller engines, it could be a replacement for HGV and buses but again needs a lot of electricity to produce and handling domestically is problematic. I bought a new VW T26 van this year, it has the mountings to fit a replacement hydrogen engine and infrastructure (already developed) in place of the 2.5 litre diesel that's in there. From what I can gather that's about the smallest hydrogen engine that would work sensibly.

So we were sold diesels as good, encouraged to buy them then they were demonised. (Look at diesel again, the new adblue engines produce a tiny fraction of the pollutants that diesels used to.) So the car manufacturers went back to petrol and developed some very economical and powerful sub 1 litre turbo engines but before they really took hold the rush to EV started under political pressure. Even if no new cars are sold after 2030 the ICE cars that are on the road will be around for a long time.

Biofuels are likely to be the way forward, there's been a lot of work on this but obviously the oil companies are not getting involved, yet. Remember the tests the RAF ran on biofuels last year? The ICE engine will be around for a long time yet.