The Ukraine Situation

[seven]

Lots going on over there remember what Zelensky real profession is - an actor/dancer/comedian very talented guy bit like old Boris on Steroids.

Whatever his previous profession was, he is without doubt the most respectable world leader on the planet right now. And probably for the last 30 years.

Been there done it - Falklands was enouth for ex para wont speak about it before you ask.

Then why bring it up

[Col Nago]

Whatever his previous profession was, he is without doubt the most respectable world leader on the planet right now. And probably for the last 30 years.

Very much this.

[C24]

Oops! I’ve changed my mind and will not post my comments

[Craig]

Lots going on over there remember what Zelensky real profession is - an actor/dancer/comedian very talented guy bit like old Boris on Steroids.

Whatever his previous profession was, he is without doubt the most respectable world leader on the planet right now. And probably for the last 30 years.

Been there done it - Falklands was enouth for ex para wont speak about it before you ask.

Then why bring it up

You've literally just been told he is an actor...

Then go on to heap praise onto him for the job he is doing.

It seems he is a pretty good actor!

The guy is a moron, who is in it so deep now if he goes against his handlers he is a dead man, so the pantomime will continue.

How a man can be put forward for the Nobel peace prize and on the eve of the winners announcement call for preemptive nuclear strikes by NATO on Russia is beyond me.

What is even more insane is that the majority will still believe he is a peaceful little dove because that is what is the nomination implies and the mainstream media repeats ad nauseam.

Unfortunately for Ukraine, after Zelensky tries to fast track his NATO application, the West don't really care about Ukraine and Jake Sullivan of the Pentagon, US State Department, quickly states "Now is not the time to be discussing this".

Talking of the Pentagon, they have also come out this week and said "No sign Putin is planning on using nukes and they have no evidence or intelligence that suggest he will do".

Bit of a contrast to what the mainstream media are pushing hey, but then they had no evidence Saddam had weapons of mass destruction either and that didn't stop us 'liberating' the Iraqis.

[Pen Pusher]

How a man can be put forward for the Nobel peace prize and on the eve of the winners announcement call for preemptive nuclear strikes by NATO on Russia is beyond me.

A quick bit of Googling and they all seem to say that Zelensky was talking about preventive [economic] sanctions but why spoil things with facts.

Zelenskyy’s spokesman Sergii Nykyforov later clarified in a Facebook post that the Ukrainian president was referring to economic sanctions, which he felt should have been imposed by the West before Russia invaded Ukraine. Nykyforov said Zelenskyy meant “it was necessary to take preventive measures to prevent Russia from unleashing the war,” adding that Zelenskyy was talking about “preventive [economic] sanctions.”

[Craig]

How a man can be put forward for the Nobel peace prize and on the eve of the winners announcement call for preemptive nuclear strikes by NATO on Russia is beyond me.

A quick bit of Googling and they all seem to say that Zelensky was talking about preventive [economic] sanctions but why spoil things with facts.

Zelenskyy’s spokesman Sergii Nykyforov later clarified in a Facebook post that the Ukrainian president was referring to economic sanctions, which he felt should have been imposed by the West before Russia invaded Ukraine. Nykyforov said Zelenskyy meant “it was necessary to take preventive measures to prevent Russia from unleashing the war,” adding that Zelenskyy was talking about “preventive [economic] sanctions.”

Or quickly backed down after realising that part of his act didn't go down to well perhaps?

"What should NATO do? Eliminate the possibility of Russia using nuclear weapons, I once again appeal to the international community, as it was before February 24: preemptive strikes so that they [Russia] know what will happen to them if they use it, and not the other way around."

"Don’t wait for Russia’s nuclear strikes, and then say, ‘Oh, since you did this, take that from us!’ Reconsider the way you apply pressure. This is what NATO should do – reconsider the order in which it applies pressure [on Russia],"

Sounds pretty much like your Nobel peace prize nominee actor was talking about nukes to me, but don't let them tell you what to think, read his words and make your own mind up. Which I fully accept might come to a different conclusion to me by the way, which is totally fine as long as we are not being told what to think by the mainstream media.

[XWP29]

A quick bit of Googling and they all seem to say that Zelensky was talking about preventive [economic] sanctions but why spoil things with facts.

Zelenskyy’s spokesman Sergii Nykyforov later clarified in a Facebook post that the Ukrainian president was referring to economic sanctions, which he felt should have been imposed by the West before Russia invaded Ukraine. Nykyforov said Zelenskyy meant “it was necessary to take preventive measures to prevent Russia from unleashing the war,” adding that Zelenskyy was talking about “preventive [economic] sanctions.”

BBC John Simpson on R4 said yesterday this was indeed to cover up what Zelensky said. We can't hang Zelensky out to dry but he went over the top. He is doing a great job as leader and must be under immense and unimagible pressure.

[ridgmeister]

For a bit of background history of the Soviet Union & Russia, I can recommend watching the following series on BBCiPlayer: -
'Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone'
By episode 4 we see that Putin's future friends, the oligarchs, have 'screwed-over' the country and its people; not 'the West'. One politician likens the break up of the USSR to the break-up of the British Empire. "Regrettable but an unavoidable fact".
On my first trip to Russia, on day 1 I got 9 Ruble/US$ and by day 8 it was 19 Ruble/US$. And we think we have inflation issues!
Anyway, have a watch; it's a real eye-opener. All film clips are from the time and have none of the usual BBC biases/opinions.
Paul

[seven]

Lots going on over there remember what Zelensky real profession is - an actor/dancer/comedian very talented guy bit like old Boris on Steroids.

Whatever his previous profession was, he is without doubt the most respectable world leader on the planet right now. And probably for the last 30 years.

Been there done it - Falklands was enouth for ex para wont speak about it before you ask.

Then why bring it up

You've literally just been told he is an actor...

Then go on to heap praise onto him for the job he is doing.

It seems he is a pretty good actor!

The guy is a moron, who is in it so deep now if he goes against his handlers he is a dead man, so the pantomime will continue.

How a man can be put forward for the Nobel peace prize and on the eve of the winners announcement call for preemptive nuclear strikes by NATO on Russia is beyond me.

What is even more insane is that the majority will still believe he is a peaceful little dove because that is what is the nomination implies and the mainstream media repeats ad nauseam.

Unfortunately for Ukraine, after Zelensky tries to fast track his NATO application, the West don't really care about Ukraine and Jake Sullivan of the Pentagon, US State Department, quickly states "Now is not the time to be discussing this".

Talking of the Pentagon, they have also come out this week and said "No sign Putin is planning on using nukes and they have no evidence or intelligence that suggest he will do".

Bit of a contrast to what the mainstream media are pushing hey, but then they had no evidence Saddam had weapons of mass destruction either and that didn't stop us 'liberating' the Iraqis.

Bit difficult to tell from that, if its full more of fecal matter or testicles.

[XWP29]

For a bit of background history of the Soviet Union & Russia, I can recommend watching the following series on BBCiPlayer: -
'Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone'
By episode 4 we see that Putin's future friends, the oligarchs, have 'screwed-over' the country and its people; not 'the West'. One politician likens the break up of the USSR to the break-up of the British Empire. "Regrettable but an unavoidable fact".
On my first trip to Russia, on day 1 I got 9 Ruble/US$ and by day 8 it was 19 Ruble/US$. And we think we have inflation issues!
Anyway, have a watch; it's a real eye-opener. All film clips are from the time and have none of the usual BBC biases/opinions.
Paul

I’d also advocate a book called: “The Grey Men” by Ralph Hope. Pursuing the Stasi into the present. Page 42 there’s a plate showing a Stasi issued ID for a Lt Col V. Putin in the KGB dated 31.12.85.

[Col Nago]

For a bit of background history of the Soviet Union & Russia, I can recommend watching the following series on BBCiPlayer: -
'Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone'
By episode 4 we see that Putin's future friends, the oligarchs, have 'screwed-over' the country and its people; not 'the West'. One politician likens the break up of the USSR to the break-up of the British Empire. "Regrettable but an unavoidable fact".
On my first trip to Russia, on day 1 I got 9 Ruble/US$ and by day 8 it was 19 Ruble/US$. And we think we have inflation issues!
Anyway, have a watch; it's a real eye-opener. All film clips are from the time and have none of the usual BBC biases/opinions.
Paul

Yeah, it’s been great. It’s Adam Curtis at his best.

[slogen51]

I shan't be going to TOTAL garages anytime soon

Brought to my notice : from LeMonde

How TotalEnergies fuels Russian fighter jets in Ukraine
The French oil and gas company is alone among its Western peers to have continued operations in Russia. It receives income from the sale of gas condensate which, once transformed into kerosene, fuels Russian planes striking Ukraine.


In Russia, TotalEnergies does not just export gas to Europe, as it often says to justify its presence there. The French oil and gas giant and its local partner Novatek manage a gas field whose product, once transformed into kerosene, is used to fuel Russian fighter planes engaged in the war in Ukraine. Terneftegaz, the company that runs the field, is 49% owned by TotalEnergies and 51% by Novatek.

Thanks to information compiled by the NGO Global Witness and obtained from the financial database Refinitiv, held by the London Stock Exchange, Le Monde was able to trace the supply chain from the Termokarstovoye field in Siberia to two military air bases (Morozovskaya and Malshevo), each housing a squadron of multi-role combat aircraft. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have accused these squadrons of targeting the Ukrainian civilian population, including during the bombing of the Mariupol Theater, which is estimated to have caused the death of about 600 people, on March 16, 2022. It is an "clear war crime," according to Amnesty International.


https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international ... 692_4.html

[C24]

The Fat Lady continues to sing.

[C24]

1 : a Russian vehicle drawn by three horses abreast also : a team for such a vehicle. 2 : a group of three especially : an administrative or ruling body of three.

Russia, Belarus and China?

No reply please

[Col Nago]

I see the 101sq US Army have been mobilised - ready to go into Ukraine if needed, wonder if we will see a closer call on the Nuke clock from what I understand is now at 3 - intersting times.

https://www.defconlevel.com/current-level.php

They haven't been mobilised for anything Ukraine. They're on rotation, replacing the current stationed US soldiers in Romania. There's just a lot of hype because it's the first time the 101 has been stationed in Europe for 80 years.

[Sparts99]

Interesting and at times harrowing read.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... obal-en-GB

[effects]

Lots going on over there remember what Zelensky real profession is - an actor/dancer/comedian very talented guy bit like old Boris on Steroids.

Whatever his previous profession was, he is without doubt the most respectable world leader on the planet right now. And probably for the last 30 years.

Been there done it - Falklands was enouth for ex para wont speak about it before you ask.

Then why bring it up

You've literally just been told he is an actor...

Then go on to heap praise onto him for the job he is doing.

It seems he is a pretty good actor!

The guy is a moron, who is in it so deep now if he goes against his handlers he is a dead man, so the pantomime will continue.

How a man can be put forward for the Nobel peace prize and on the eve of the winners announcement call for preemptive nuclear strikes by NATO on Russia is beyond me.

What is even more insane is that the majority will still believe he is a peaceful little dove because that is what is the nomination implies and the mainstream media repeats ad nauseam.

Unfortunately for Ukraine, after Zelensky tries to fast track his NATO application, the West don't really care about Ukraine and Jake Sullivan of the Pentagon, US State Department, quickly states "Now is not the time to be discussing this".

Talking of the Pentagon, they have also come out this week and said "No sign Putin is planning on using nukes and they have no evidence or intelligence that suggest he will do".

Bit of a contrast to what the mainstream media are pushing hey, but then they had no evidence Saddam had weapons of mass destruction either and that didn't stop us 'liberating' the Iraqis.

You are I believe what is best described as "one of Putin's useful idiots"

[Col Nago]

Interesting and at times harrowing read.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... obal-en-GB

That’s quite a read.

This article has been a popular topic this week:

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and- ... n-ukraine/

[Col Nago]

Interesting and at times harrowing read.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... obal-en-GB

That’s quite a read.

This article has been a popular topic this week:

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and- ... n-ukraine/

I see, wasn't there a few journalists questioning the creditability of bellingcat - think I read something about it somewhere (don't ask me where though).

Indeed. The internationally respected, multiple award winning, independent open source investigative journalism of Bellingcat has been criticised…by Russia. Mad Putin has banned it in the motherland.

[effects]

In conflcts we need a Truly neautral concern who have no links or influences one way or the other. your link is not sutch. sorry.

And who would that be then then? The TUC?