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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by slogen51 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:47 pm

Hi

The US based report came up in my Google news and now I can't find a link to it. Sorry.

I normally do post the reference but on this occasion I didn't and wish I had because I thought the jury were still out on immunity. I remember the article said that the body uses your plasma to create short term antibodies to fight any virus currently in the body and then apparently the body can continue to generate ' strong' antibodies for a long time afterwards?

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by roger4 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:56 pm

Ok - thanks for looking.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by slogen51 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:11 am

slogen51 wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:33 pm
22 March 2020 - total deaths increased from 285 to 359 an increase of 74.

One month later by 22 April total deaths in the UK from Covid-19 were 21787 !! According to Wikipedia

Today (8/10) another 72 deaths were announced - I hope we are not going to see a similar % rise as occurred back in April.

Keep your distance and keep on washing your hands ( of the virus not your responsibilities).

Probably not the right words but it will be interesting to see what the next 30 days brings - will the mitigation limit the number of casualties?
16/10 another 150 deaths due** to Covid-19 and 792 new hospital cases according to the BBC compared to 72 on the 8/10

** Still unclear if these were "Covid was the cause" or "Covid was mentioned" on the death certificate.

It seems that somehow Covid has got back into care homes.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by podge » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:32 am

The last I read was that the Covid death toll was people who had died within 28 days of testing positive for coronavirus.
So if you test positive and get shot dead two weeks later that would go down as a Covid death I guess.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by big john » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:07 am

slogen51 wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:47 pm

Hi
The US based report came up in my Google news and now I can't find a link to it. Sorry.
I normally do post the reference but on this occasion I didn't and wish I had because I thought the jury were still out on immunity. I remember the article said that the body uses your plasma to create short term antibodies to fight any virus currently in the body and then apparently the body can continue to generate ' strong' antibodies for a long time afterwards?
I saw that report as well. I have searched news reports, but it seems to have been deleted along with a lot of others. I could find nothing earlier on the subject than July, which is very strange.
There is an article in the Lancet about Covid immunity it is a bit technical and with lots of medical words. but the gist is understandable
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... /fulltextd
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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by C24 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:50 am

From cdc.gov

It’s a long article! Here’s an extract

In addition, development of neutralizing antibodies can also be assessed. Neutralizing antibodies inhibit viral replication in vitro, and as with many infectious diseases, their presence correlates with immunity to future infection, at least temporarily.

Recurrence of COVID-19 illness appears to be very uncommon, suggesting that the presence of antibodies could indicate at least short-term immunity to infection with SARS-CoV-2. Consistent with this observation, experimental primary infection in primates and subsequent development of antibodies resulted in protection from reinfection after the primates were rechallenged. Additionally, antibody development in humans correlates with a marked decrease in viral load in the respiratory tract. Taken together, these observations suggest that the presence of antibodies may decrease a person’s infectiousness and offer some level of protection from reinfection. However, it remains uncertain to what degree and for how long individuals with antibodies (neutralizing or total) are protected against reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 or what concentration of antibodies may be needed to provide such protection.

Looks like there is insufficient data to make scientific judgment

Speaking of sampling, the radio 4 Inside science programme offered an honest view of our lack of testing capabilities.

Stay safe🌈
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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by plmc135 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:11 am

Do the poor innocent primates get included in the daily figures for contracting Covid 19? :grr:

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by roger4 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:50 am

So far 705428 poor innocent primates have tested positive in the UK, and tragically 43579 have succumbed to the disease (within 28 days).

The ones in the study referred to must have survived their first infection of Covid (like 98% of humans), in order to have been exposed a second time. But it's good news that they had strong antibody responses from the first infection that protected them from re-infection.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by Unknown74 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:24 pm

Seems to be a new Project Fear by the Government? Vallance and (Not So-) Whitty seem to be spreading more scare stories about how long its going to take for this Vaccine, if Brexit wasnt Project Fear them Covid 19 definately is.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by Nighthawke » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:37 pm

Replying without having read or listened to any news - but - sometimes the truth can be scary (if the "scare stories" are fact). Maybe theye are trying to tell us "how it is"?

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by C24 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:20 am

The wild stories and rumours in the media certainly cloud the issue.

If you haven’t realised that this country is in a serious crisis, then prepare yourselves for a shock.

Stay safe, 🌈 🕊

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by C24 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:02 pm

H4752/20: Exercises will take place

Q) EGTT/QWELW/IV/BO/W/000/240/5437N00204W006
AIR EXER. MULTIPLE FAST JET ACFT WILL CONDUCT HIGH ENERGY
MANOEUVRES IN SUPPORT OF GROUND OPS WI 5NM RADIUS 543706N 0020422W
(BARNARD CASTLE, COUNTY DURHAM). PROFILES MAY INVOLVE DYNAMIC
LATERAL AND VERTICAL MANOEUVRING OF AIRCRAFT AT SPEEDS OF UP TO 450
KNOTS IAS.

ACFT MAY BE UNABLE TO COMPLY WITH RAC.

FOR FURTHER INFO
AIC Y042/2020 REFERS. OPS CTC 277.350 MHZ / 131.175 MHZ /
07801 489716. 2020-10-0352/AS3
LOWER: Surface
UPPER: 24,000 Feet AMSL
FROM: 28 Oct 2020 08:00 GMT
TO: 30 Oct 2020 22:00 GMT
SCHEDULE: 0800-2200

Guess who is heading north!

N.B. RAC --- Rules About Covid?
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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by jimbo » Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:16 am

:roll: :thumbs:

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by slogen51 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:05 pm

Unknown74 wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:24 pm
Seems to be a new Project Fear by the Government? Vallance and (Not So-) Whitty seem to be spreading more scare stories about how long its going to take for this Vaccine, if Brexit wasnt Project Fear them Covid 19 definately is.
The facts are scary enough on their own- 310 UK Covid deaths yesterday.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by raptor9 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:00 pm

Perhaps it's important to remember that these are deaths of people WITH Covid 19, not necessarily deaths OF Covid 19. It is deaths of people who have been diagnosed with the virus within the preceding 28 days. Many may well have been elderly and near the end of their NATURAL lives.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by slogen51 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:39 pm

Near the end but not at the end

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by jimbo » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:51 pm

Average age of death with covid is 84...UK averaged age at death is 82...

Figures mean nothing without context...310 deaths with covid but bizarrely non with flu! Doesn’t sit well with me.

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by slogen51 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:04 am

I don't know yesterday's flu stats

And by the way I have mentioned several times in this meandering thread that I think the deaths from flu is a disgrace.

Somewhere in here I talked about the spikes in flu that have caused huge numbers of excess deaths. The Governments of all shades and we the general population sweep it under the mat and say " it doesn't matter , they were old anyway"

If I remember, I drew a parallel with Shipman - nobody noticed he was murdering people because the victims were old.

It really pisses me off how the elderly are ignored and become invisible to anyone under 49

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by slogen51 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:17 am

As I have a head of steam up I might as well add that it won't be long before the so called old will become scape goats and blamed for the lock downs " oh woe , we wouldn't be in lock down if it wasn't for the old and vulnerable"

Sounds like a fascist chant !

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Re: COVID-19 UK

Post by raptor9 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:38 am

As, perhaps, one of the oldest on this forum [78] my reflection on being old is that at least I have got to this age, and am very grateful to still be here, fit and well. Many people don't make it to this age.. I can assure you that the N.H.S. in my area cares very much about us. Youngsters may need to think more about the fact that they MAY get old, and possibly it could change their attitude!.

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