RAF Lossiemouth after Independence?

[Gloria Finis]

The truth is, that nobody, be they YES or No orientated, knows what will happen to RAF Lossiemouth after independence - even with a crystal ball. Should the vote be YES, on 18 September 2014, it will then depend entirely on approximately 18 months of pre-independence negotiations, to arrive at a post-independence outcome. In the meantime, RAF Lossiemouth is an active base - let us be thankful for that.

No matter how the vote goes, large amounts of money have been spent on RAF Lossiemouth, recently - a recipe for closure perhaps?

[Sky Pirate]

So after the televised debate yesterday, what are your opinions? Have they changed?

No - I quite clearly still think Alex Salmond is a shitebag

Shitebag!!! Do you know the man personally ?? No i thought so,he could have you for slander with that remark Al, Remember people it is not Salmond that the vote is about!!


Hugh...who comes from a long line o Shitebags...whatever they are...

[Fighterfoto]

It would be libel, not slander, but it's only defamatory if it isn't true.....

What is a shitebag anyway?

[scimitar]

It would be libel, not slander, but it's only defamatory if it isn't true.....

What is a shitebag anyway?

According to the urban dictionary it's a wimp or a dastardly type. Which, in actual fact, means it's not slander, libel or defamatory cause it's true.

[Jazz]

It would be libel, not slander, but it's only defamatory if it isn't true.....

What is a shitebag anyway?

According to the urban dictionary it's a wimp or a dastardly type. Which, in actual fact, means it's not slander, libel or defamatory cause it's true.

Difficult to argue with that

[scimitar]

You guys are still missing the point by a country mile, it's not about Salmond, it's about me, my family and everyone who lives in Scotland.
Attack the figurehead all you want. It will never Change the minds of Yes voters.
And there's still no word on here from any undecided voters, so this has just turned into a slagging match!
As they say Bitter Together :-)

You almost got that right, it's about the fact that neither my family, friends or myself can afford to cash the cheques that the the SNP and it's idiotic leadership are writing!!!

[onemac]

Shitebag!!! Do you know the man personally ?? No i thought so,he could have you for slander with that remark Al......

I don't know him personally Hugh but I have met the man several times. I formed my opinion from those interactions along with what he said out loud supposedly out of earshot on one occasion. I also didn't like the way he condoned the SNP Policy of shutting all the Scottish bases and then turned up for the publicity on the 'Save RAF Lossiemouth' march but not for the 'Save RAF Leuchars campaign' - kind of two-faced if you ask me.

You guys are still missing the point by a country mile, it's not about Salmond, it's about me, my family and everyone who lives in Scotland.

I understand it's not about Salmond but it IS what the SNP want and as their leader the buck stops there. He's leading the campaign and not being forthright in the process - you just can't say 'we'll just do this, sod the rest of them'.

Attack the figurehead all you want. It will never Change the minds of Yes voters.

I realise that but the Yes voters are either card-carrying members of the SNP, followers of the SNP or those who just bimble along in life letting others think and speak for them.

And there's still no word on here from any undecided voters, so this has just turned into a slagging match!

So that's your intentions then -to lure the undecided and state your case. Fair enough but apart from a few individuals I should think the majority of the regular users of this forum are fed up with this - I know I am.

As they say Bitter Together :-)

Who say's that - not the SNP surely?

See you at the Polling Station.


Al - Over & Out.

[ythanpythan]

... but the Yes voters are either card-carrying members of the SNP, followers of the SNP or those who just bimble along in life letting others think and speak for them.

A statement that does you and a significant portion of your fellow countrymen a disservice.

[Malcolm]

Would you care to explain/debate the Oil and gas figures?



Stolen from here : http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.ph ... ffect.html

Govt figures put over 10% of oil in English waters, and in excess of 60% of the gas in English waters. That assumes the median line is used to divide English and Scottish waters. The current agreement actually puts even more oil and gas in English waters. So where do your figures come from?

Scotland is a nett exporter of electricity to the rUK - basically because it has two huge nuclear power stations. I hope you've considered the decommissioning costs, and what you're going to do with the nuclear waste, and what you're going to replace them with when they reach their sell by date.

[scimitar]

And the yes campaigners show their true colours. It's all about bullying people into agreeing with them. No such thing as free speech unless you say your a yes voter. Well I'm an no voter primarily because I won't have a job if there's a yes vote. But hey that's fine I'll be better off on the dole in an independent scotland. After all the SNP will give me that special currency, you know the one you can spend hundreds of times over.
A future for my kids, no chance, a return to the 18th century, every chance.

[onemac]

... but the Yes voters are either card-carrying members of the SNP, followers of the SNP or those who just bimble along in life letting others think and speak for them.

A statement that does you and a significant portion of your fellow countrymen a disservice.

Apologies Ian - I should have added 'and those who can think clearly and decide for themselves' (I thought that was a given).

Carry on with the 'discussion' it's very interesting.

Al

[Blue Diamond]

Quoting the percentage of fish landings is of little consequence to the argument as the vast majority of UK fish supplies come from non UK waters. 95% of the cod used in the UK comes from non EU sources so the relatively small amount landed in Scotland wON'T make a great deal of difference if it becomes unavailable to the rest of the UK.

[Thunder]

And the yes campaigners show their true colours. It's all about bullying people into agreeing with them. No such thing as free speech unless you say your a yes voter.

Quite amazing just how many people will agree with that. I work with a couple of Yes voters and you cannot have a civilised discussion with them before they start to show hatred towards any other opinion but their own.

[Jazz]

And the yes campaigners show their true colours. It's all about bullying people into agreeing with them. No such thing as free speech unless you say your a yes voter.

Quite amazing just how many people will agree with that. I work with a couple of Yes voters and you cannot have a civilised discussion with them before they start to show hatred towards any other opinion but their own.

Kinda reflected in todays 'Sinister Mobbery' story. "You will believe in me, Let us advance"...

[scimitar]

I think someone should go and lie down in a dark room without access to sharp objects.

[scimitar]

Or internet ;-) xxx

If there's a yes vote you'll be ok as they didn't have the internet in the 18th century.

[Thunder]

I think Blair should be arrested for War Crimes, and for being absent from his job of Middle East envoy.

War crimes, no chance!! Ok the coalition didn't find any WMD's but they were there. In the 12 months building up to the invasion of Iraq the amount of so called "Humanitarian aid flights" to Syria for the earthquake that happened there was enormous, yet very little aid was received from Iraq. So ask yourself, what was really on those flights? I've worked in Iraq and it's not until you hear the personnel stories from normal Iraqis that you'll see why Saddam had to go. I've spoke with ex Generals of the Army and Navy and they all said they had some scary **** in their arsenal. The thing we did do wrong was appointing a self governing Government too early, resulting in a poor and weak choice.

However I do agree that Blair was a twit on a ego boosting mission for his terms as PM. Between himself and Brown it was them alone that brought this country to it's knees and he knew it, hence why he jumped when he did. That's what happens when you borrow money that you haven't got then can't afford to pay it back, hold on isn't that the big plan for Eck and the SNP?

As for Maggie she should be made a saint

[onemac]

With you there Scott - the only PM since WWII (that's two NOT eleven) to have the balls to defend our territory. Can't see Alex defending Rockall, let alone siding with the other six Celtic Nations.

Al

[hertsman]

A thought has just occurred. If an independent Scotland is not admitted to the EU, it could corner the market in powerful vacuum cleaners and run them over the border to England at dead of night. Everyone wins. The extra income could help make up any shortfall in Scotland's North Sea reserves and England is rescued from this pathetic ***** nonsense.

hertsman

[Sky Pirate]

With you there Scott - the only PM since WWII (that's two NOT eleven) to have the balls to defend our territory. Can't see Alex defending Rockall, let alone siding with the other six Celtic Nations.

Al

And all of Scotland voted Tory??..
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0fI7tqknb0w/T ... otland.jpg

Over and out!!!...lol