January 2020 Log/Movements

[Vulcanone]

Hawks in the area apparently... Although as I am not near there, it ain't much help

[Tarnished1]

"Tarnish(WTN) 01A" (used by WTN10?) arr back 1325z (SRA25?).

"Tarnish(WTN) 01B" (used by WTN69) heard manoevring in overhead 1325-27z. Initials 25 @ 1327z and t/g (seen in afterburner @1330z turning in left hand circuit rwy 25); low approach 1331z and landed @ 1334z.

[chrisward123]

"Tarnish(WTN) 01A" (used by WTN10?) arr back 1325z (SRA25?).

"Tarnish(WTN) 01B" (used by WTN69) heard manoevring in overhead 1325-27z. Initials 25 @ 1327z and t/g (seen in afterburner @1330z turning in left hand circuit rwy 25); low approach 1331z and landed @ 1334z.

Excellent work - thanks for posting

[Blackcat1]

Any idea why they are using the A/B in their callsigns?

Thanks

[POL]

Back from Finland? Common to use WTN01A/B on delivery flights so I guess it'd make sense?

[Vulcanone]

Yes Back from Finland

[Blackcat1]

Thanks!

[Tarnished1]

Any idea why they are using the A/B in their callsigns?

Thanks

So 2 (or more) jets can use the same callsign for ATC comms if being handled by them as a "package". Used widely by European airforces eg Germans. When they split for recovery etc the A/B bit is then also used. Not sure if RAF use it sometimes when using RFR (RAFAIR) callsigns but not when using RRR (Ascot) callsigns!

[Blackcat1]

Yes I realise that now . Totally forgot they had gone to Finland. I thought they were using A/B on local test sorties that's why I thought it was unusual until I realised by scrolling further up!! Whoops

[Blackcat1]

Yes Rafair used to use A/B/C etc when on hi-lo-hi sorties from Germany to the UK.

[Blackcat1]

Any idea why they are using the A/B in their callsigns?

Thanks

So 2 (or more) jets can use the same callsign for ATC comms if being handled by them as a "package". Used widely by European airforces eg Germans. When they split for recovery etc the A/B bit is then also used. Not sure if RAF use it sometimes when using RFR (RAFAIR) callsigns but not when using RRR (Ascot) callsigns!

Yes the RAF used to use Rafair A/B/C when on hi-lo-hi sorties from Germany to the UK. Thanks for that, I forgot they had gone to Finland until I scrolled up . I thought they were using A/B on local test sorties , that's why i thought it was strange.

[Tarnished1]

Sat 18/1/20

Yes I know a civvie but Finnish evaluation supported by RJ-85 G-JOTA Jota Avn Southend, which appears to have departed WTN late am today as "ENZ788F" to Newcastle, having arrived earlier from Tampere-Pirkkala.

Re the Rafair callsign is still used by Hawks etc on transit to detachments in other Eurropean countries. It was even used by the tucanos when went on a short detachment to Baldonnel (last year?).

[Blackcat1]

Any idea why they are using the A/B in their callsigns?

Thanks

So 2 (or more) jets can use the same callsign for ATC comms if being handled by them as a "package". Used widely by European airforces eg Germans. When they split for recovery etc the A/B bit is then also used. Not sure if RAF use it sometimes when using RFR (RAFAIR) callsigns but not when using RRR (Ascot) callsigns!

Yes the RAF used to use Rafair A/B/C when on hi-lo-hi sorties from Germany to the UK. Thanks for that, I forgot they had gone to Finland until I scrolled up . I thought they were using A/B on local test sorties , that's why i thought it was strange.

I rarely listen the scanner anymore as I work in the week, and sadly not much to listen too around here anymore

[Yammer]

Plenty to listen too - I'm not far from you

[Blackcat1]

I've been listening to my Yupi & Bearcat for the last 25 years .The Brecon Beacons block a lot of aircraft at low altitude, as I'm down in a small blocked valley and I work in the week.

[Tarnished1]

Tues 21/1/20

F20E G-FRAR [4009D2] "Warthog 81" dep off 25 @ 1431z RTB TeesSide sorry I mean Durham Tees Airport...

[Evergreen 44]

Tues 21/1/20

F20E G-FRAR [4009D2] "Warthog 81" dep off 25 @ 1431z RTB TeesSide sorry I mean Durham Tees Airport...

Right first time : It resumed the original name 25-07-19

[chrisward123]

24/1/20

10:23L - G-FRAJ (FA20/Cobham) Arrive R.25 from Durham Tees
12:45L - ZK034/Y (Hawk T.2/XXV Sqn) ILS/Overshoot R.25
12:52L - ZK355/ZK356/ZK303 - C/S T.69 (FGR4/T.3-BAE Systems) Dep R.25
12:57L - G-FRAJ/Warthog81 (FA20/Cobham) Dep R.25
13:02L - ZK035/Z (Hawk T.2/XXV Sqn) ILS/Overshoot/Go Around R.25 (B737 on runway)
13:03L - G-JMCM/NPT733P (B733F/Western Atlantic) Dep R.25
13:06L - ZK023/N (Hawk T.2/XXV Sqn) ILS/Overshoot R.25

[Tarnished1]

WTN69 up in a development typhoon ZJ700/IPA5 @ 1252z obviously with F20 G-FRAJ as target/playmate.

[Tarnished1]

27/1/20

WTN10 airborne in a single seat development typhoon @ 1430z. As expected nothing showing on mode-S sites. Performed a few high level loft attacks on airfield target (from 15-20kft) before recovering @ 1604z. T&G and landed 1610z. Possibly ZK356 (BS117).

WTN69 airborne in ZK303/AX (BT017) @ 1638z.