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New QEAF Hawks

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Re: New QEAF Hawks

Post by teeonefixer » Fri May 14, 2021 8:59 am

Interesting Topic, but like a lot of things, the final outcome will only be known by those working on the project.

"Advanced jet Trainer" is a widely used term; didn't it apply to Hawk T1's when the Primary (Jet) Trainer was the Jet Provost ?

"AJT" was also the term used by BAE Systems (NOT BAe - sorry that's my long standing complaint!) for developments following the major investment on the Mk.127 "LIF" (Lead In Fighter for the RAAF). The Mk.128/TMk.2 had the integrated systems with 3-MFD display and added Radar simulation, Moving Map, etc. and this is the baseline for Mk.165/166/167.
There is a lot of work at the Design Organisation (BAE Systems, mainly at Brough) and with the MoD & MAA getting the Mk.167 cleared for operations in UK airspace due to the differences in specification from the TMk.2, over and above those needed for development flying. I guess they will keep the ZBxxx registrations.

As an aside, the aeroplane carries a Registration number, as defined in JAP.100 (somewhere, I forgot where I left my note), not serial or tail number. A colleague of mine many years ago actually went into the office who allocated these and there was a big dusty ledger, like something out of the Victorian era ! I expect this has been "modernised" since.

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Re: New QEAF Hawks

Post by tommc » Fri May 14, 2021 4:05 pm

teeonefixer wrote:
Fri May 14, 2021 8:59 am

As an aside, the aeroplane carries a Registration number, as defined in JAP.100 (somewhere, I forgot where I left my note), not serial or tail number. A colleague of mine many years ago actually went into the office who allocated these and there was a big dusty ledger, like something out of the Victorian era ! I expect this has been "modernised" since.
Quite right, the MAA list it as an "Aircraft Registration Number".

Not sure how much modernisation has taken place though!

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Re: New QEAF Hawks

Post by Off Airways » Thu May 20, 2021 6:58 am

FWIW ... Not sure it's going to happen anyway ... I hear the Saudi's have offered a better training package so there will be no Hawks at Leeming.
Ex: 24/30/70/72/84/101 & 230 Squadrons .... 38 years of military aviation :grr:

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Re: New QEAF Hawks

Post by PA200 » Thu May 20, 2021 10:44 am

interesting so the contract they signed means nothing then...

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... _ZAxyIS24Z
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Re: New QEAF Hawks

Post by Agent K » Thu May 20, 2021 11:44 am

Off Airways wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 6:58 am
FWIW ... Not sure it's going to happen anyway ... I hear the Saudi's have offered a better training package so there will be no Hawks at Leeming.
The country that, for several years, and until very recently, severed diplomatic ties with Qatar? and stopped Qatar airways aircraft overflying Saudi airspace?

Also, I'm pretty sure the RSAF training is still very much managed and provided by the UK, via BAES anyway isn't it? not sure they can offer independent home grown training?

Call me a cynic, but I'm not sure I'd want to invest for long term in a such a fragile environment?

Interested to understand where you heard this? I'm assuming from a more credible source than your dentists sisters dog groomers husbands cousin?
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Re: New QEAF Hawks

Post by Vulcanone » Thu May 20, 2021 1:03 pm

If that is the case Off Airways, then why are 12 Sqn Still training QEAF pilots, And even Cosford are training groundcrew.

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Re: New QEAF Hawks

Post by Fighterfoto » Thu May 20, 2021 1:13 pm

Sheik News if you ask me…

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Re: New QEAF Hawks

Post by TonyO » Thu May 20, 2021 2:48 pm

Fighterfoto wrote:
Thu May 20, 2021 1:13 pm
Sheik News if you ask me…
You went there!

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Re: New QEAF Hawks

Post by Off Airways » Thu May 20, 2021 4:38 pm

Feel free to remind me if I'm wrong ... and I have said "not sure its going to happen" ... NOT it will not happen so CHILL!
Ex: 24/30/70/72/84/101 & 230 Squadrons .... 38 years of military aviation :grr:

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Re: New QEAF Hawks

Post by PA200 » Thu May 27, 2021 12:12 pm

First Qatari Hawk flew yesterday afternoon (26th) due to be delivered to RAF Leeming later this year.
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Re: New QEAF Hawks

Post by verreli » Thu May 27, 2021 2:32 pm

ZB133, only in primer for now and with RAF roundels.

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Re: New QEAF Hawks

Post by Mike » Thu May 27, 2021 2:49 pm

Apparently ZB132 has also had it's first flight earlier today :- viewtopic.php?f=70&t=204452&p=1300602#p1300602
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