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ZM335 and ZM336

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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by reaper493 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:56 am

It is, although the E3 you speak of is at the far end of the Awacs dispersal now and has been sometime. Best to park in the layby and walk down the lane to the crash gate. Unless you have a land rover.....

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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by slogen51 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:12 am

Thank you very much

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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by Andy Marden » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:52 am

If you're not bothered in photographing them just drive up the A607 down the western edge of the base - easily visible from there

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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by Gavinlivsey » Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:38 pm

Finally caught these this morning.

Be warned, Military police out in force both inside and outside the fence. As I stood at the crash gate changing batteries in my camera a patrol came out of the field and seemingly told/asked another spotter who was behind me not to continue to the gate. I ventured into the field to take some pics and was approached by patrols airside twice within five minutes. I was in the field and not the strip of land owned by the MOD. All polite but apparently they are on high alert.

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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by reaper493 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:19 pm

Seems unusual, never had any issues in the past. I guess if they park the Italians down that end there may well be more active patrols.

Delta seems the most likely parking area (larger apron to the north of where the Phenoms are). Swiss f18 used to park here for ACMI, with the Belgians and French further north.


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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by PR9 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:31 pm

Might be bored, the deployment will finally give them something to do. :whistle:
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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by Gavinlivsey » Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:35 pm

reaper493 wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:19 pm
Seems unusual, never had any issues in the past. I guess if they park the Italians down that end there may well be more active patrols.

Delta seems the most likely parking area (larger apron to the north of where the Phenoms are). Swiss f18 used to park here for ACMI, with the Belgians and French further north.


Mike
I commented to them that they might be busier because of the exercise and they said they new nothing about it!

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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by FlyingFairy » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:28 pm

ZM335 departed Waddington this afternoon as CWL 45, assume went to Cranwell?

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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by Philwinward » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:22 pm

Just curious, who actually owns this pair, the MOD or the training contractor ?
Who would be responsible for deciding their fate ?
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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by PR9 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:52 pm

FlyingFairy wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:28 pm
ZM335 departed Waddington this afternoon as CWL 45, assume went to Cranwell?
Under her own power? Hopefully damage fixed.

336 was still present today.
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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by FlyingFairy » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:19 pm

Philwinward wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:22 pm
Just curious, who actually owns this pair, the MOD or the training contractor ?
Who would be responsible for deciding their fate ?
Phil
They are Military Registered Civilian Operated Aircraft (MRCOA) so actually owned by Affinity. Affinity will be responsible for repairs, however I don’t know who will pick up the bill!!

Suppose that will depend on what the accident report findings are?

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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by FlyingFairy » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:21 pm

PR9 wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:52 pm
FlyingFairy wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:28 pm
ZM335 departed Waddington this afternoon as CWL 45, assume went to Cranwell?
Under her own power? Hopefully damage fixed.

336 was still present today.
Confirmed it went to Cranwell.

Yes but appeared to be a gear down ferry flight, which kinda suggests it is not fully fixed?

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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by Off Airways » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:55 pm

FlyingFairy wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:21 pm
PR9 wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:52 pm
FlyingFairy wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:28 pm
ZM335 departed Waddington this afternoon as CWL 45, assume went to Cranwell?
Under her own power? Hopefully damage fixed.

336 was still present today.
Confirmed it went to Cranwell.

Yes but appeared to be a gear down ferry flight, which kinda suggests it is not fully fixed?

FF
Actually it doesn't suggest anything other than a very short flight at a reduced speed. Done many "Gear Down" transits for short hops like Lyneham to Brize or Fairford to Brize.
Ex: 24/30/70/72/84/101 & 230 Squadrons .... 38 years of military aviation :grr:

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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by tm74sqn » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:39 pm

Is ZM336 still near crash gate 5, or has it been moved elsewhere?
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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by reaper493 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:59 pm

It's still near there, just been moved from the right to the left of the gate.

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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by Mike » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:18 pm

reaper493 wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:59 pm
It's still near there, just been moved from the right to the left of the gate.

Mike
It seems very strange that a brand-new, multi-million aircraft hasn't been hangared and left outside to rot for well over two months. There's a post on the Military Aircrew part of PPRuNe that suggests that the interior strengtheners within the cockpit area have been damaged. I'm not sure if that's true, but there's obviously some issues between the insurers of the aircraft.

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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by reaper493 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:43 pm

The jet has lots of red tape all over it, any slight gap is covered with the stuff. The windows all have silver reflective foil like stuff behind as well. I guess hangar space is at a premium at Waddington.

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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by GhostFlight91 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:06 am

Still present as of yesterday morning (27th) walked up to crash gate 5 myself no issues and no raf plods


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Re: ZM335 and ZM336

Post by FlyingFairy » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:47 am

Luke, FYI, the Phenoms were never (or planned to be) part of the RAF 100 flypast.

The 100 rehearsal took place abeam Cranwell at 1300, the Phenoms were not part of that.

It is purely coincidental that the aircraft were practising formation flying later in the day when the incident took place.

HTH

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