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Spoken to like a dog!!

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cj9ru
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Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by cj9ru » Mon May 11, 2015 5:28 pm

Phoon wrote:As far as I am aware the MOD /RAF have no legal jurisdiction outside of the 'wire'. They can ask you to move but you are quite within your rights if you refuse (stupidly) to do so. The usual line is they will call the civilian police if they are unhappy with such a situation. I personally have never had a problem at CBY, but then I always try to be considerate where I park and wander to. The Only place I have encountered a problem was Wittering a few years ago where we were asked to move away from the fence despite being on a public footpath and obstructing no one. We politely and firmly refused, The RAF lady informed us the civilian police had been called, however they still hadn't shown up some 6 hours later.............

I think that some of the land 'outside the wire' at Coningsby is in fact owned by the MOD so is probably technically under their juridiction. However, manners cost nothing. It appears not what was asked but the way in which the message was delivered. I have always found both at work and play, that if you ask politely and perhaps say why you are asking something, a better result is more likely.
Shouting at for example kids throwing stones at boats is unlikely to result in it stopping. They will come back later and lob a bigger one! However, a simple walk over and a chat with the said individuals in a totally unthreatening manner is more likely to result in your boat being left alone. Same kind of applies to these situations.
Perhaps if someone at the base reads this they can have a quiet word about how to approach civilians. Contrast that with the BBMF pilots and crew who always make time to come over to the fence for a natter. Bad experiences are unfortunately remembered and talked about more and for longer. It is a pity that this impression was left when a simple ' can you move please ' would have achieved rhe same result while leaving a good impression. Good and bad in all walks of life.
Totally concur with other posters who have said Coningsby 'spotter friendly.' It is a fantastic place to watch aircraft and we are pretty well catered for. My 3 mile Friday jaunt to RAF Leuchars is now gone. Count your blessings. :thumbs:
Chris

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Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by mirage41 » Mon May 11, 2015 9:04 pm

When I joined at the tender age of 15, Cpl. Gilligan told us "just remember you've got no rights and f'all priveledges".

I was not offended then and remember those wise words, and Cpl. Gilligan, to this day.

We don't have any problem with any of the security at CBY, if they are sent to move us then we move. Don't forget that in an emergency, the big red fire engine will go straight through the fence not the gate never mind the keys - why do you think the fencing is on the outside of the posts.

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Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by POL » Tue May 12, 2015 7:33 am

mirage41 wrote: why do you think the fencing is on the outside of the posts.
So that if you run in to it from the outside it doesn't all come straight off. Or at least that's one of the CAA's requirements for airfield fences. I suppose it serves both purposes.

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Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by ArabJazzie » Tue May 12, 2015 4:10 pm

fireman12 wrote:I cannot tell you how many fools sit,climb even lay down at these areas just to get a photo that will cost one of them their life oneday, all of you just think what your doing before you act or park up.
While fools like us run headlong into places where others are running the other way! :blush:

Its easy to make comment like that with the info we are fed through training, but self loading cargo or FOD on 2 legs are not, and are most certainly as unpredictable as an aircrafts touch down point!
Arabest,
Geoff.
Ps, Just give some(not all) a Security title and see how bad it can become!

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Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by mirage41 » Tue May 12, 2015 10:47 pm

ArabJazzie,

Sorry, can't work out what you are saying - please explain further.

Vulcanone
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Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by Vulcanone » Wed May 13, 2015 11:45 am

I suspect it refers to firemen....

Running in while everyone else runs away

:huh:

fireman12

Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by fireman12 » Wed May 13, 2015 3:30 pm

Sorry, but I havent a clue either.

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Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by Mike » Wed May 13, 2015 3:45 pm

I understand it - it makes perfect sense to me ! :)

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Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by mirage41 » Wed May 13, 2015 8:44 pm

Perhaps you'll let us know then !!

Trenchard

Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by Trenchard » Wed May 13, 2015 8:47 pm

I'm with Mike, makes total sense :thumb:

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Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by mirage41 » Wed May 13, 2015 8:57 pm

Perhaps you will not let us know then !!

Trenchard

Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by Trenchard » Wed May 13, 2015 9:00 pm

Ok I'll not let you know.

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Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by mirage41 » Thu May 14, 2015 9:03 pm

Call me old fashioned if you will, but it's still gobbledegook to me !!

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Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by Vulcanone » Thu May 14, 2015 11:08 pm

wird jemand setzen diese nie endenden Faden nach unten :ninja:

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Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by Andy_99 » Fri May 15, 2015 8:13 am

Time to move on me-thinks

She was having a bad day

Trenchard

Re: Spoken to like a dog!!

Post by Trenchard » Sat May 16, 2015 10:02 am

I don't put anything on those guys posts because I'm not interested in numbers, for me it's all about the photography.

However this thread is about something that could affect everyone, number crunchers, photographers, and those who just sit, watch, and enjoy proceedings. I would therefore expect a larger response to this post than those of the good folk you mentioned above, it's all relative.

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