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Suggests to me that the long NOTAM is in case the mission gets cut short and the inbound/s turn up earlier than planned.Luketurfrey1 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:39 amLong NOTAM... could it be anything from whiteman...? And if so, would it be too much to ask for a golden hour arrival in the evening?
Indeed, it looks like whatever is happening is likely to be after dark.Widget wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:18 amLooking at Whiteman AFB Notams this one below could be for departures. 0600L - 0700L translates to a 1200-1300 BST departure window if it is indeed B-2s for FFD.
M0452/19 NOTAMN
Q) ZKC/QXXXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/3843N09332W005 A) KSZL B) 1908261100 C) 1908261200
E) AERODROME OPEN OUTSIDE PUBLISHED HOURS ON 26 AUG 19 FROM 0600L -
0700L
Sounds about right .StrawdogUK69 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:21 amOther sites reporting B2's to arrive for a refuel then depart.... no times of arrival etc though
They won't be returning to Fairford after their hot pit.Supra wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:03 amI Googled B2 flight time from Whiteman AFB. MO. & it says they could say, but then have to shoot me! So based upon a 747 Chicago direct LHR (circa. 7.5 hours) & the earliest the B2/s 'could' launch is UTC minus 6 hours, I see the following....
Depart Whiteman at 12:00 UTC (13:00 BST) Plus 7.5 hrs direct flight gives ETA of 19:30 UTC (20:30 BST) = DARK! Happy to be corrected as 'Sums' wasn't my best subject?
'Then refuel on the ground, change crews & t/o earliest 21:30L & land before 00:45L' .... NOT going to happen IMO!
Hi Guys,MRTT wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:12 amThey won't be returning to Fairford after their hot pit.Supra wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:03 amI Googled B2 flight time from Whiteman AFB. MO. & it says they could say, but then have to shoot me! So based upon a 747 Chicago direct LHR (circa. 7.5 hours) & the earliest the B2/s 'could' launch is UTC minus 6 hours, I see the following....
Depart Whiteman at 12:00 UTC (13:00 BST) Plus 7.5 hrs direct flight gives ETA of 19:30 UTC (20:30 BST) = DARK! Happy to be corrected as 'Sums' wasn't my best subject?
'Then refuel on the ground, change crews & t/o earliest 21:30L & land before 00:45L' .... NOT going to happen IMO!
If this is for the potential visitor(s), the track looks as though it could be for a non-direct route to FFD? How about a detour via a range somewhere as happened in 2008 which made it a very late night / morning for those of us gathered there.Gary wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:34 amA second ALTRV has been posted for today
G0189/19 - AIRSPACE RESERVATION
TR1:FL200 FL230 IBROD OSBOX SUNOT 5700N 02000W - 5630N 02500W
TR2:FL200 FL260 5630N 02500W - 5600N 03000W
TR3:FL200 FL270 5630N 02500W - 5620N 02600W
TR4:FL270 5620N 02600W - 5600N 02642W - 5540N 02600W - 5534N 02400W
5530N 02200W - 5530N 02000W - 5500N 01800W - 5530N 01600W ETARI KUGUR
FLW SEPARATIONS WILL BE PROVIDED WITHIN OCEANIC AIRSPACE:
MNPS/NAT HIGH LEVEL AIRSPACE(HLA) 60NM, NON-MNPS/NAT HLA 120NM. FL200 - FL270,
26 AUG 15:38 2019 UNTIL 26 AUG 20:52 2019. CREATED: 26 AUG 06:20 2019
TR1 - TR3 https://skyvector.com/?ll=56.1961108516 ... 620N02600W
TR4 https://skyvector.com/?ll=56.1961108516 ... RI%20KUGUR
Full plot https://skyvector.com/?ll=56.1961108516 ... RI%20KUGUR
Don't think this is anything to do with B-2s as it is a Westbound refuelling with following tanker return.davem wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:16 amIf this is for the potential visitor(s), the track looks as though it could be for a non-direct route to FFD? How about a detour via a range somewhere as happened in 2008 which made it a very late night / morning for those of us gathered there.Gary wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:34 amA second ALTRV has been posted for today
G0189/19 - AIRSPACE RESERVATION
TR1:FL200 FL230 IBROD OSBOX SUNOT 5700N 02000W - 5630N 02500W
TR2:FL200 FL260 5630N 02500W - 5600N 03000W
TR3:FL200 FL270 5630N 02500W - 5620N 02600W
TR4:FL270 5620N 02600W - 5600N 02642W - 5540N 02600W - 5534N 02400W
5530N 02200W - 5530N 02000W - 5500N 01800W - 5530N 01600W ETARI KUGUR
FLW SEPARATIONS WILL BE PROVIDED WITHIN OCEANIC AIRSPACE:
MNPS/NAT HIGH LEVEL AIRSPACE(HLA) 60NM, NON-MNPS/NAT HLA 120NM. FL200 - FL270,
26 AUG 15:38 2019 UNTIL 26 AUG 20:52 2019. CREATED: 26 AUG 06:20 2019
TR1 - TR3 https://skyvector.com/?ll=56.1961108516 ... 620N02600W
TR4 https://skyvector.com/?ll=56.1961108516 ... RI%20KUGUR
Full plot https://skyvector.com/?ll=56.1961108516 ... RI%20KUGUR
Mine is Guesswork based on factual Whiteman Notam, Dodgy Calc's & a Hunch!.... MRTT is rarely wrong in these matters? I'm not going to bother for the U2, get sunburnt though the day, just to imagine what I'm missing later in the dark.Pune wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:02 amHi Guys,MRTT wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:12 amThey won't be returning to Fairford after their hot pit.Supra wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:03 amI Googled B2 flight time from Whiteman AFB. MO. & it says they could say, but then have to shoot me! So based upon a 747 Chicago direct LHR (circa. 7.5 hours) & the earliest the B2/s 'could' launch is UTC minus 6 hours, I see the following....
Depart Whiteman at 12:00 UTC (13:00 BST) Plus 7.5 hrs direct flight gives ETA of 19:30 UTC (20:30 BST) = DARK! Happy to be corrected as 'Sums' wasn't my best subject?
'Then refuel on the ground, change crews & t/o earliest 21:30L & land before 00:45L' .... NOT going to happen IMO!
Is this all fact or guess work, just asking?
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