NOTAM 26/08/2019 - B-2s DEATH 11/12/13 Arrive

[Coasties]

U3686/19 - FAIRFORD MIL ATZ ACTIVE, AD, RWY 09/27 OPEN. 26 AUG 13:45 2019 UNTIL 26 AUG 23:45
2019. CREATED: 26 AUG 06:39 2019

Add 1 hour for local time.

[BOLLO]

Here we go !

[Luketurfrey1]

Long NOTAM... could it be anything from whiteman...? And if so, would it be too much to ask for a golden hour arrival in the evening?

[graham luxton]

Long NOTAM... could it be anything from whiteman...? And if so, would it be too much to ask for a golden hour arrival in the evening?

Suggests to me that the long NOTAM is in case the mission gets cut short and the inbound/s turn up earlier than planned.

[Widget]

Looking at Whiteman AFB Notams this one below could be for departures. 0600L - 0700L translates to a 1200-1300 BST departure window if it is indeed B-2s for FFD.

M0452/19 NOTAMN
Q) ZKC/QXXXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/3843N09332W005 A) KSZL B) 1908261100 C) 1908261200
E) AERODROME OPEN OUTSIDE PUBLISHED HOURS ON 26 AUG 19 FROM 0600L -
0700L

[StrawdogUK69]

Time to get myself out of bed then

[StrawdogUK69]

Other sites reporting B2's to arrive for a refuel then depart.... no times of arrival etc though

[StandardTom]

Looking at Whiteman AFB Notams this one below could be for departures. 0600L - 0700L translates to a 1200-1300 BST departure window if it is indeed B-2s for FFD.

M0452/19 NOTAMN
Q) ZKC/QXXXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/3843N09332W005 A) KSZL B) 1908261100 C) 1908261200
E) AERODROME OPEN OUTSIDE PUBLISHED HOURS ON 26 AUG 19 FROM 0600L -
0700L

Indeed, it looks like whatever is happening is likely to be after dark.

[BOLLO]

Other sites reporting B2's to arrive for a refuel then depart.... no times of arrival etc though

Sounds about right .

[Supra]

I Googled B2 flight time from Whiteman AFB. MO. & it says they could say, but then have to shoot me! So based upon a 747 Chicago direct LHR (circa. 7.5 hours) & the earliest the B2/s 'could' launch is UTC minus 6 hours, I see the following....
Depart Whiteman at 12:00 UTC (13:00 BST) Plus 7.5 hrs direct flight gives ETA of 19:30 UTC (20:30 BST) = DARK! Happy to be corrected as 'Sums' wasn't my best subject?
'Then refuel on the ground, change crews & t/o earliest 21:30L & land before 00:45L' .... NOT going to happen IMO!

[xkekeith]

13:45Z is a very precise opening time which suggest a movement of some sort mid afternoon .......
Would agree evening B-2A arrival looks most likely and hot pitting
Sunset 20:08 this evening at Fairford

[MRTT]

I Googled B2 flight time from Whiteman AFB. MO. & it says they could say, but then have to shoot me! So based upon a 747 Chicago direct LHR (circa. 7.5 hours) & the earliest the B2/s 'could' launch is UTC minus 6 hours, I see the following....
Depart Whiteman at 12:00 UTC (13:00 BST) Plus 7.5 hrs direct flight gives ETA of 19:30 UTC (20:30 BST) = DARK! Happy to be corrected as 'Sums' wasn't my best subject?
'Then refuel on the ground, change crews & t/o earliest 21:30L & land before 00:45L' .... NOT going to happen IMO!

They won't be returning to Fairford after their hot pit.

[Pune]

I Googled B2 flight time from Whiteman AFB. MO. & it says they could say, but then have to shoot me! So based upon a 747 Chicago direct LHR (circa. 7.5 hours) & the earliest the B2/s 'could' launch is UTC minus 6 hours, I see the following....
Depart Whiteman at 12:00 UTC (13:00 BST) Plus 7.5 hrs direct flight gives ETA of 19:30 UTC (20:30 BST) = DARK! Happy to be corrected as 'Sums' wasn't my best subject?
'Then refuel on the ground, change crews & t/o earliest 21:30L & land before 00:45L' .... NOT going to happen IMO!

They won't be returning to Fairford after their hot pit.

Hi Guys,
Is this all fact or guess work, just asking?
Cheers

[davem]

A second ALTRV has been posted for today

G0189/19 - AIRSPACE RESERVATION
TR1:FL200 FL230 IBROD OSBOX SUNOT 5700N 02000W - 5630N 02500W
TR2:FL200 FL260 5630N 02500W - 5600N 03000W
TR3:FL200 FL270 5630N 02500W - 5620N 02600W
TR4:FL270 5620N 02600W - 5600N 02642W - 5540N 02600W - 5534N 02400W
5530N 02200W - 5530N 02000W - 5500N 01800W - 5530N 01600W ETARI KUGUR
FLW SEPARATIONS WILL BE PROVIDED WITHIN OCEANIC AIRSPACE:
MNPS/NAT HIGH LEVEL AIRSPACE(HLA) 60NM, NON-MNPS/NAT HLA 120NM. FL200 - FL270,
26 AUG 15:38 2019 UNTIL 26 AUG 20:52 2019. CREATED: 26 AUG 06:20 2019

TR1 - TR3 https://skyvector.com/?ll=56.1961108516 ... 620N02600W

TR4 https://skyvector.com/?ll=56.1961108516 ... RI%20KUGUR

Full plot https://skyvector.com/?ll=56.1961108516 ... RI%20KUGUR

If this is for the potential visitor(s), the track looks as though it could be for a non-direct route to FFD? How about a detour via a range somewhere as happened in 2008 which made it a very late night / morning for those of us gathered there.

[Scuba 11]

Dragon 22 due 1500

[rh226]

A second ALTRV has been posted for today

G0189/19 - AIRSPACE RESERVATION
TR1:FL200 FL230 IBROD OSBOX SUNOT 5700N 02000W - 5630N 02500W
TR2:FL200 FL260 5630N 02500W - 5600N 03000W
TR3:FL200 FL270 5630N 02500W - 5620N 02600W
TR4:FL270 5620N 02600W - 5600N 02642W - 5540N 02600W - 5534N 02400W
5530N 02200W - 5530N 02000W - 5500N 01800W - 5530N 01600W ETARI KUGUR
FLW SEPARATIONS WILL BE PROVIDED WITHIN OCEANIC AIRSPACE:
MNPS/NAT HIGH LEVEL AIRSPACE(HLA) 60NM, NON-MNPS/NAT HLA 120NM. FL200 - FL270,
26 AUG 15:38 2019 UNTIL 26 AUG 20:52 2019. CREATED: 26 AUG 06:20 2019

TR1 - TR3 https://skyvector.com/?ll=56.1961108516 ... 620N02600W

TR4 https://skyvector.com/?ll=56.1961108516 ... RI%20KUGUR

Full plot https://skyvector.com/?ll=56.1961108516 ... RI%20KUGUR

If this is for the potential visitor(s), the track looks as though it could be for a non-direct route to FFD? How about a detour via a range somewhere as happened in 2008 which made it a very late night / morning for those of us gathered there.

Don't think this is anything to do with B-2s as it is a Westbound refuelling with following tanker return.

[davem]

Yes, thanks very much, saw the explanation over on the ALTRV page.

[Supra]

I Googled B2 flight time from Whiteman AFB. MO. & it says they could say, but then have to shoot me! So based upon a 747 Chicago direct LHR (circa. 7.5 hours) & the earliest the B2/s 'could' launch is UTC minus 6 hours, I see the following....
Depart Whiteman at 12:00 UTC (13:00 BST) Plus 7.5 hrs direct flight gives ETA of 19:30 UTC (20:30 BST) = DARK! Happy to be corrected as 'Sums' wasn't my best subject?
'Then refuel on the ground, change crews & t/o earliest 21:30L & land before 00:45L' .... NOT going to happen IMO!

They won't be returning to Fairford after their hot pit.

Hi Guys,
Is this all fact or guess work, just asking?
Cheers

Mine is Guesswork based on factual Whiteman Notam, Dodgy Calc's & a Hunch!.... MRTT is rarely wrong in these matters? I'm not going to bother for the U2, get sunburnt though the day, just to imagine what I'm missing later in the dark.
Just out of interest, where could I buy NVG's on a Bank Holiday?

[ChrisCwmbran]

MRTT is never wrong! He knows you know!

He may be feeling a bit Cornish (Guy) but he's a clever lad!

[sabrejet]

Dragon 22 due 1500

1500 local? Appreciate the heads-up!