Flying Legends 2016

[filmman]

Remember the Shoreham crash was on a major road. Moving twenty people from the "Naughty Field" mound at the west end of Duxford next to the parked fire truck and a row of park visiting aircraft is illogical. I assume that displays will not be flown over the fire truck area. The real problem is the M11 which is overflown very low by landing and display aircraft; it's very high risk (remember Kegworth and the BA777 Heathrow crashes amongst others). If there is a M11 crash the CAA and Duxford will be savaged by the media who will consider the naughty field clearance excuse as a sick joke.

So the real question is will landings and displays avoid the M11 and if not, why not?

Filmman

[Pen Pusher]

Twenty people on the mound. I take it you can't count.

Restrictions were in place at the September show last year about flying over the M11/A505 and approved by the CAA/County Council/Police so not a problem there.

I've also noticed that the Primary School in Duxford Village is not advertising Air Show BBQ/parking in their on-line diary for air show weekends.

I believe one of the reasons why tickets are not available for the September show yet is to see if the man from the CAA say's YES about how the new regulations are enforced for the May show, and the display will be stopped if so called 'enthusiasts' south side encroach on the new display datum. If the man from the CAA say's NO then Legends will be the last air show at Duxford.

Brian

[darkman]

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[filmman]

I agree there have been more crashes and deaths on the M11than there has been in the naughty field. Your missing the point, the me109 and the Bristol Blenheim crashed on approach short of Duxford and a few aircraft have crashed on its runway. Every landing over the M11 carries a risk of crashing into it, it's inevitable that one will eventually do so on show day. It's the CAA job to assess the risk and make a decision. Naughty field "politics" is a nuisance for them, if they insist it's cleared but allow flying/landing over the M11 and there is a crash into it they will be blamed. By the way I have seen several cars stopping for some time on the M11 under the landing path to watch the display.

[BMrider]

Touch and goes do form part of aircraft displays, I have seen plenty at many airshows so landing and taking of is part of the display routine, whether or not any are performed at the upcoming Duxford event is irrelevant, the possibility of future displays should accommodate it

There's more scaremongering going on here than that about the EU exit!

[filmman]

The trouble with "in my opinion" is that if such a crash happened the majority of the media would possibly not agree with you disassociating a landing from the display. If the CAA take your line they might find it difficult to continue it after such a crash. Anyway it will be interesting to see what rules are applied to Duxford, with a motorway under the threshold and a nearby village, it sets a standard for other shows. Thought will the Red Arrows start their display at RIAT by flying directly over the FRIAT stand; formation flying is risky - Mig 29s at RIAT, Meteor and Vampire at Mildenhall, Italian display team at Spangdalem, etc. It will be very illogically annoying if the display line is moved even further away for safety whilst they still fly over the stand. Anyway I hope every one has an enjoyable and say display year.

[Nighthawke]

The Frecce Tricolori tragedy was at Ramstein, not Spangdahlem.

When the rules changed after that dreadful incident, I never have understood why the Red Arrows are/were still allowed to enter the display from crowd rear.

[filmman]

Sorry for the wrong venue, but we both agree about the Red Arrows. Formation aerobatics are riskier and some obvious safety restrictions should be introduced; but the problem still remains of where the display line is, what's under it and if it's outside an airfield does the landowner have rights. Or does the landowner, against his will, have responsibilities/liabilities forced upon him. Do farmers have to clear livestock and in the case of RIAT one farmers campsite continues to profit whilst the one across the airfield has apparently been closed, was that farmer compensated. In other words can displays organisers restrict others and if so do they have to offer compensation. What about Duxford making a donation to St Johns school in Duxford, in recompense for the nuisance caused to the local community?

[bizfreeq]

The Red Arrows aren't performing formation aerobatics over the crowd or even near them. The entrance is in formation yes but straight and level flight and therefore in no way comparable to the tragedy at Ramstein which occured during a maneuver between opposing aircraft at high speed.

[filmman]

Unfortunately, to err is human. Numerous collisions have happened with 2 aircraft flying in the same general direction but one pilot losing spatial awareness of the other or having problems. Flying 9 plane formations even straight and level is demanding but made to look simple because of the high standard of piloting. But things do go wrong. So someone has to decide, in the circumstances of the time, what is acceptable. Though I leave that to the experts I do reserve the right to ask questions, particularly when I am underneath.

[Pen Pusher]

The Red Arrows flew in from crowd rear at Old Warden the other weekend and they were spread out over 900ft so not flying close together, wing tip to wing tip, so risk averted.

Brian

[darkman]

Uodate
MaxAlfa Aviation's Spitfire VIIIc MT928/D-FEUR and F4U Corsair 124541/D-FCOR added

[Gary]

Its finally been confirmed no viewing on the tank bank this year

Important announcement from The Fighter Collection.

This year, air shows around the UK including the Flying Legends Air Show, have been subject to additional regulations regarding flying display permissions.

To enhance your visitor experience at this year’s Flying Legends Air Show, run by The Fighter Collection, we will be moving the crowdline forward in the central area of the museum site.

To achieve this increased capacity in the central viewing area, we have had to make some difficult decisions, which has ultimately led to the Land Warfare end of the site not being a permitted viewing area from Wednesday 6 July onwards and for the entire weekend of the Flying Legends Air Show.

There will be a small amount of sterile car parking which will be clearly designated. For safety reasons, visitors won't be able to return to their cars in this area until after the flying display has concluded. Please assist us by complying with instructions from staff at the air show.

We hope that you’ll understand the reasons behind these changes and we trust you will have an enjoyable Flying Legends Air Show.

Maps of the public layout will be posted soon.

[rdchawk]

All Duxford's doing as no mention of CAA regs in that press release. But it sounds like their plan is to move the flying display line away from the naughty field.

Just means that you will be all crammed in the middle shooting into the sun all day!

[Pen Pusher]

F-22/P-51 Heritage Flight @ Duxford.

http://www.acc.af.mil/Home/AerialEvents ... edule.aspx

Brian

[wolfie138]

what's this like as a show, goor organisation/viewing etc? i'm looking at the line-up and there's some beauts but i'm having a bit dither cos the weather forecast's a bit dubious and it's a 4.5hr drive each way for me which would mean leaving stupid early and getting home stupid late. was thinking overnigting in a travelodge or such but options seem limited as regards sensible prices.
TIA

[darkman]

Hawker Sea Fury Mk II added

[jeallen01]

Surprised nobody confirmed that the area between the Land Warfare Museum and the crowd line is cordoned off today (IIRC there was a rumour about this but I never noted a confirmation)

Also, far fewer trade stands than last year or at the American Airforce Day earlier this year - another sign of things to come?

[Pen Pusher]

Traders probably down at RIAT.

Brian

[jeallen01]

Traders probably down at RIAT.

Brian

Forgot the RIAT effect, so this might be temporary, as might be the relatively low number of visitors.

BTW the weather is very changeable this afternoon