Duxford's Naughty Field

[herky10]

Are we talking 200-300mm lens stuff, generally speaking, from this location?

[Scuba 11]

Are we talking 200-300mm lens stuff, generally speaking, from this location?

200-400 will work well

[eagle1]

Hi Clare
Postcode for the school is CB22 4RA.
I will be there. Aiming to arrive 1130ish. Will look out for you. Should be a good day

[eagle1]

Hi Guys

I went to the Duxford show yesterday and stayed near position B on the Spotters map. Can I please check, in order to get to the mound
(where I could see quite a few fellow photographers) could I have walked there from where I was ? It looked like I could but would
have probably been a 30 minute walk through the fields but wasn't sure, I just want to check for next time
Appreciate any help from you

Thanks

Martin

[cgull123]

FYI I was at the mound for the spring show and a firefighter told me the police were going to come round as the farmer is fed up with people in his fields on show days. They didn't, and remember trespass is a civil matter NOT a criminal offence so the police have no authority. I am also pretty certain that no-one has been done for trespass EVER as it will never stand up in court (unless you are committing an offence like criminal damage or burglary).

[Pen Pusher]

FYI I was at the mound for the spring show and a firefighter told me the police were going to come round as the farmer is fed up with people in his fields on show days. They didn't, and remember trespass is a civil matter NOT a criminal offence so the police have no authority. I am also pretty certain that no-one has been done for trespass EVER as it will never stand up in court (unless you are committing an offence like criminal damage or burglary).

Have you read Part V Public Order: Collective Trespass or Nuisance on Land Powers to remove trespassers on land of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994

Power to remove trespassers on land.(1)
If the senior police officer present at the scene reasonably believes that two or more persons are trespassing on land and are present there with the common purpose of residing there for any period, that reasonable steps have been taken by or on behalf of the occupier to ask them to leave and—
(a)that any of those persons has caused damage to the land or to property on the land or used threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour towards the occupier, a member of his family or an employee or agent of his, or
(b)that those persons have between them six or more vehicles on the land,
he may direct those persons, or any of them, to leave the land and to remove any vehicles or other property they have with them on the land.

A common misconception that the Police don't have powers to 'REMOVE' trespassers.

Brian

[BMrider]

FYI I was at the mound for the spring show and a firefighter told me the police were going to come round as the farmer is fed up with people in his fields on show days. They didn't, and remember trespass is a civil matter NOT a criminal offence so the police have no authority. I am also pretty certain that no-one has been done for trespass EVER as it will never stand up in court (unless you are committing an offence like criminal damage or burglary).

Have you read Part V Public Order: Collective Trespass or Nuisance on Land Powers to remove trespassers on land of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994

Power to remove trespassers on land.(1)
If the senior police officer present at the scene reasonably believes that two or more persons are trespassing on land and are present there with the common purpose of residing there for any period, that reasonable steps have been taken by or on behalf of the occupier to ask them to leave and—
(a)that any of those persons has caused damage to the land or to property on the land or used threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour towards the occupier, a member of his family or an employee or agent of his, or
(b)that those persons have between them six or more vehicles on the land,
he may direct those persons, or any of them, to leave the land and to remove any vehicles or other property they have with them on the land.

A common misconception that the Police don't have powers to 'REMOVE' trespassers.

Brian

I think that is for travellers who intend to reside on the land if you read it through, hardly applies to the photographers on foot who will only be there for a few hours.





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[rattler]

A group of us photographers were once removed by the police from the mound mentioned. After a long and heated discussion with the police, we were threatened with arrest under "the Public Order Act". I didn't hang around to see what the outcome of all this was and scooted off before things got out of hand.

Mick F

[BMrider]

A group of us photographers were once removed by the police from the mound mentioned. After a long and heated discussion with the police, we were threatened with arrest under "the Public Order Act". I didn't hang around to see what the outcome of all this was and scooted off before things got out of hand.

Mick F

I would suggest that plod were acting with ignorance beyond their power's, not the 1st time or the last I,m sure

[eagle1]

Hi Guys

I went to the Duxford show yesterday and stayed near position B on the Spotters map. Can I please check, in order to get to the mound
(where I could see quite a few fellow photographers) could I have walked there from where I was ? It looked like I could but would
have probably been a 30 minute walk through the fields but wasn't sure, I just want to check for next time
Appreciate any help from you

Thanks

Martin

Thanks guys for the heads up but with all that in mind, can someone please offer some guidance as to
accessing the mound ?

Many thanks Martin

[eagle1]

And after all that I am still none the wiser on how to get to it !!

[IanG]

Without causing any offence to anyone as I know this is a hot topic, but I will be in the area on Sunday but unable to attend the show due to other commitments. If I get time in the afternoon I would like to be able to view from the South side so I would be grateful if anyone could offer any info as to whether this is possible this weekend.

[C24]

IanG,
I imagine that Grange road will again be closed for non local traffic. You should try for the Primary School, postcode shown earlier in this thread. There is normally pedestrian and cycle access allowed.
Enjoy the visit.

[Jetbudgie]

For 2015, IWM will be imposing restrictions on access to the Southside.

http://www.iwm.org.uk/important-safety-notice

The landowners will have been reminded of their possible liability should any mishap occur to members of the public on their land.

[POL]

Didn't the issue that last year, someone asked the landowner who said he hadn't been contacted by IWM and didn't mind people in the field as long as they stayed on the tracks/edges?

[XPLUMBER]

They (the IWM) have tried various approaches over the years, recently they have posted security Guards at the top of the track to discourage people from continuing along, handing out A4 printed pages requesting people to keep away.

We have had Police motorcyclists there in the past who have no interest in stopping anyone.

My favourite occaision was many years ago when an IWM employee decided to tell every one to move away as it was not safe. He actually stated that it was dangerous and the show would not continue if the 200 or so people failed to heed his warning!

Rather fell on deaf ears when it was pointed out to him that by his logic the Fire Engines were in the Danger Area!

He went away and the Airshow went on as expected!!!!

[Doughnut]

Sadly IWM are their own worst enemy. With this year most airshows are being listed as "ticket only" the general public will just expect to turn up and watch from outside.

[Agent K]

Sadly IWM are their own worst enemy. With this year most airshows are being listed as "ticket only" the general public will just expect to turn up and watch from outside.

I think only the September show is ticket only due to the expected demand to see the mass of Spitfires having been caught out by the unprecedented demand for the 2 x Lancs show last year. A sensible precaution I think. It's not excluding anyone as you seem to indicate and we can all buy tickets should we wish to attend. I don't think the IWM are their own worst enemy, ultimately the people who "suffer" are those who operate the aircraft who may loose bookings due to reduced revenue being able to afford the variety and the IWM who have less income to further their work in preservation and display.

[nigelblake]

Maybe they should apply similar logic and close the M11 too, after all there is already a record of accidents (P38 and L39) where aircraft and motorway traffic have been involved!
The argument of lost revenue will only apply if the crowd capacity is not reached! In the cases where they have exceeded the capacity and people have been turned away that argument cannot be made. The same applies regarding the opening of Duxford village school, which is apparently done with the IWM's blessing, surely the risk of accident there is similar to the risk at any other off-airfield site south of the show's crowd line!!

[Nighthawke]

The alleged loss of income may not be so great if you consider the possibility that some people who view from the outside may not be able to afford or justify the cost and just go to watch what they can. Just because they can be stopped doesn't mean they would then pay to enter.

I personally choose not to pay to go in and if I can do so legally and safely I would watch from outside. If not I stay away - either way Duxford do not get my money.

I have often found, as a photographer that better flying shots can be had outside airfield boundaries than within. Personal preference.