RIAT 2018 ARRIVALS

[raptor76]

The aircraft I'm really interested in finding out is;
E-6b
kc-10
B-52
B-1
Il-76 & su-27
Mig-21
C-17 (sar)
Ea-7
All the aircraft coming from Canada
and kc-390

[Gary]

The Canadians demo team should arrive at Yeovilton sometime after 7pm tomorrow if the trail happens. I would expect them to relocate to Fairford as early as Tuesday 10th. I'm sure some one will ask them at Yeovilton so should know for sure next weekend

[TomTwin]

Will there be live arrivals coverage on this forum again this year?

And does anyone have any news as of yet of any arrival timings for any aircraft coming in?

I'm planning a live feed on either twitter or here, depends if Flickr works or not....

That is, if there aren't any objections to me doing it and people would appreciate the effort?

Cheers,

Tom

[maximus]

Will there be live arrivals coverage on this forum again this year?

And does anyone have any news as of yet of any arrival timings for any aircraft coming in?

I'm planning a live feed on either twitter or here, depends if Flickr works or not....

That is, if there aren't any objections to me doing it and people would appreciate the effort?

Cheers,

Tom

I think that will be useful as I have seen a few people requesting it! I was thinking of ways of doing it. I have booked myself for Tue, Wed and Thursday ! Cannot wait !

[pg1610]

Will there be live arrivals coverage on this forum again this year?

And does anyone have any news as of yet of any arrival timings for any aircraft coming in?

I'm planning a live feed on either twitter or here, depends if Flickr works or not....

That is, if there aren't any objections to me doing it and people would appreciate the effort?

Cheers,

Tom

Looking forward to your reports Tom, thanks for having a go

[Vulture 01]

Bit confused by some of the expected arrivals posted earler ie the C17 (SAR) and EA7
Can anyone help here please?

[EF-111]

I think the C-17 (SAR) should be (SAC) i.e. the NATO one.
EA-7 Should be E-7A the Australian Wedgetail

Regards, Steve

[Threshold.aero]

With various members of the team covering Tues to Tues we will be doing live arrival details here https://threshold.aero/data/RIAT18-Live-Arrivals
It can also be found on the website in the menu bar.

[reaper493]

Bbmf due sometime Tuesday.

Lancaster
Dakota
2x Hurricanes
3x Spitfires

Due in to Cambridge Monday, then off for the flypast, then due in to Fairford at some point after that.

Operating from Fairford for a few flypasts Tuesday and Thursday.

https://twitter.com/RAFBBMF/status/1014 ... 79107?s=19

Mike

[sneezy24]

I'm attending on Wednesday (and Friday and Monday).

The forecast is for wind from NE at 9mph, gusting to 14mph. I assume therefore that runway 07 will be used for landings? Looks like P&V West is best.

Any reason why they would select 27 for landing, which I believe is preferred.

Mick

[maximus]

Do they direct you on the day or do you have to chose which side to go to ? I have only ever been East side so I have no clue how to get to the West side. Their website is pretty bad at showing where people need to go for P&V. Any advice ?

Thanks

[Timmo]

Do they direct you on the day or do you have to chose which side to go to ? I have only ever been East side so I have no clue how to get to the West side. Their website is pretty bad at showing where people need to go for P&V. Any advice ?

Thanks

Maximus, you can choose which end you would like to go to.

The western park and view area is located on the airfield to the north of the village of Marston Meysey. If you come in on the blue route, there will be a sign for park and view west at the junction for Marston Meysey. From the red route you would have to drive into Kempsford and follow the signage from there. Sorry, I've not got an image to post here to show what I mean. If you pop Marston Meysey into Google Maps, you will see a small road that leads to the crash gates at the western end of the airfield. This is where the actual entrance is.

I hope that is of some use!

[Timmo]

I'm attending on Wednesday (and Friday and Monday).

The forecast is for wind from NE at 9mph, gusting to 14mph. I assume therefore that runway 07 will be used for landings? Looks like P&V West is best.

Any reason why they would select 27 for landing, which I believe is preferred.

Mick

Mick, if the wind is from the NE, you're right that 09 will be used for landings.

I think that a 27 arrival is preferred because if 09 landings are in operation, aircraft that need to park at the western end need to taxi around the northern taxiway to Charlie north and backtrack the runway. A 27 arrival at busy periods avoids blocking the runway for backtracking aircraft.

I believe that is the case, but happy to be corrected if that's wrong!

[Mike]

I found this on another forum, it's from someone that seems to know what he's talking about :-

"ATC do their best to stay on RW27 as the preferential runway in use, up to a ten knot tailwind component. This has nothing to do with noise abatement, but there are several other factors that are taken into account:

1: RW 27 is operationally the much easier end to use for the approach guys at Brize.
2: RW 27 is operationally the much easier end to use for the set up of the airfield and, in general, positioning aircraft into the static.
3: On display days, RW 27 is the most efficient end to use for display aircraft, as there is less back tracking - which eats into the schedule.
4: Not an operational requirement, but we do appreciate that P&V East is the most popular, so all things being equal, we do our best to use RW 27.

However, there are several reasons as to why RW 09 has to take priority, even when the wind is below the 10kt tailwind:

1: We try to match the RW in use at Brize. Operationally, it is far easier for both airfields to be on Easterlies or Westerlies. As Brize has the aircraft more likely to be unable to take as much as a 10kt tailwind for arrival or departure, sometimes we will use RW09 at Fairford, because they need to use RW08 up the road.

2: If a few inbounds to Fairford start to request the into wind runway, we will change. It is not good operational practice to start trying to "play both ends against the middle", as we say.

I guess the main thing from the P&V point of view is that you get some notice of an impending change (in order to reposition yourselves if required), and we do look ahead at this. Pre shift, a discussion with the MET observers will identify when during the day the wind might increase to a speed at which a runway change is likely and we will factor that in to our planning. However, if a couple heavies rock up and ask for RW 09, then we need to change quickly - that's just a fact of airport life.

Looking ahead at the forecast for next week on the BBC, it's a difficult call. The forecast winds suggest in could be marginal for staying on RW27 into the afternoon on Wednesday and Thursday, but it's still a week away.

One final thing - we do our absolute best to get aircraft down to the West End loop for P&V West (especially the tasty items), but it is not always possible due to operational, traffic or language (yes those SU27s!) issues. However, if we are on RW 09, you should only expect landing shots down there, unless the parking layout requires an aircraft back down the western end."

[maximus]

Do they direct you on the day or do you have to chose which side to go to ? I have only ever been East side so I have no clue how to get to the West side. Their website is pretty bad at showing where people need to go for P&V. Any advice ?

Thanks

Maximus, you can choose which end you would like to go to.

The western park and view area is located on the airfield to the north of the village of Marston Meysey. If you come in on the blue route, there will be a sign for park and view west at the junction for Marston Meysey. From the red route you would have to drive into Kempsford and follow the signage from there. Sorry, I've not got an image to post here to show what I mean. If you pop Marston Meysey into Google Maps, you will see a small road that leads to the crash gates at the western end of the airfield. This is where the actual entrance is.

I hope that is of some use!

Thank you very much Timmo! Found it and it is on my way in. Now can relax and be on a lookout for their runway decision.

[sneezy24]

Thanks for this!

As always, I'll check Twitter and ATIS on the way (coffee at Membury), and probably choose East.

I went to West for departures last year and with hindsight (a wonderful thing!) wish I had gone East as they used 27! (and it was a NNE/NE/ENE wind - can't remember the speed).

Twitter did say 09, but it was on 27 when I got there, a stop just before Marston Meysey could be in order.

Mick

I found this on another forum, it's from someone that seems to know what he's talking about :-

"ATC do their best to stay on RW27 as the preferential runway in use, up to a ten knot tailwind component. This has nothing to do with noise abatement, but there are several other factors that are taken into account:

1: RW 27 is operationally the much easier end to use for the approach guys at Brize.
2: RW 27 is operationally the much easier end to use for the set up of the airfield and, in general, positioning aircraft into the static.
3: On display days, RW 27 is the most efficient end to use for display aircraft, as there is less back tracking - which eats into the schedule.
4: Not an operational requirement, but we do appreciate that P&V East is the most popular, so all things being equal, we do our best to use RW 27.

However, there are several reasons as to why RW 09 has to take priority, even when the wind is below the 10kt tailwind:

1: We try to match the RW in use at Brize. Operationally, it is far easier for both airfields to be on Easterlies or Westerlies. As Brize has the aircraft more likely to be unable to take as much as a 10kt tailwind for arrival or departure, sometimes we will use RW09 at Fairford, because they need to use RW08 up the road.

2: If a few inbounds to Fairford start to request the into wind runway, we will change. It is not good operational practice to start trying to "play both ends against the middle", as we say.

I guess the main thing from the P&V point of view is that you get some notice of an impending change (in order to reposition yourselves if required), and we do look ahead at this. Pre shift, a discussion with the MET observers will identify when during the day the wind might increase to a speed at which a runway change is likely and we will factor that in to our planning. However, if a couple heavies rock up and ask for RW 09, then we need to change quickly - that's just a fact of airport life.

Looking ahead at the forecast for next week on the BBC, it's a difficult call. The forecast winds suggest in could be marginal for staying on RW27 into the afternoon on Wednesday and Thursday, but it's still a week away.

One final thing - we do our absolute best to get aircraft down to the West End loop for P&V West (especially the tasty items), but it is not always possible due to operational, traffic or language (yes those SU27s!) issues. However, if we are on RW 09, you should only expect landing shots down there, unless the parking layout requires an aircraft back down the western end."

[Gary]

Belgian 349(F) who DBH confirmed today. Announced a few days ago they are arriving Thursday afternoon

[Gary]

Alert 5 twitter page have document showing the C-2 departing Japan on Monday arriving at Fairford Wednesday

[turmo]

https://threshold.aero/data/RIAT18-Live-Arrivals

Cheres, I'll keep an eye on that page.

However from my OCD perspective there are some odd attempts at over-precision in that list. For example

Boeing E-3D Sentry AEW.1
Douglas C-47A Dakota C.3

It's just a Douglas Dakota C.Mk.3 with the RAF. No need for the US designation. In fact I'd say that model numbers and variants aren't appropriate on a list like that since it should be quick to scan.

[MRTT]

Will try my best to keep this updated.

Any information is appreciated.

Tuesday 10th July
(DUE: Time N/A) Supermarine Spitfire (x3), Hawker Hurricane (x2), Avro Lancaster B.1, Douglas DC-3 Dakota, Battle of Britain Memorial Flight, Royal Air Force
(DUE: 10.00am) Boeing B-52H Stratofortress, United States Air Force
(DUE: 10.20am) Rockwell International B-1B Lancer, United States Air Force

Wednesday 11th July
(DUE: 09.20am) Dassualt Mirage 2000D (x3), 'Couteau Delta', French Air Force
(DUE: Time N/A) Kawasaki C-2, Japanese Air Self Defence Force

Thursday 12th July

Friday 13th July

Saturday 14th July

Sunday 14th July

Monday 15th July