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1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

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1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

Post by Wolf51 Flt » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:08 am

Did any of the mag's print a based list of CF-104 based in europe at EDAL
or EDAN . EDAM and the LF.. bases were before I started this hobby CAF
wise.

I can see from some site's the amount of aircraft w/o .It seem's well over
100 were assigned to NATO .when I started I think they were only three Sqd
left in Europe

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Re: 1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

Post by slogen51 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:04 am

Hi Tony

Just a reminder that ICAO codes are only permitted if accompanied by the airfield name

The only Canadian lawn dart base I remember in Europe was Soellingen EDAL?

EDAM sounds like cheese from EHAM Amsterdam Schiphol.

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Re: 1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

Post by plmc135 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:32 am

To help Antonio out, EDAN was Lahr the HQ for Canadian forces in Germany and to where the majority of C-130 and C-137 flights from Gatwick ended up.

1 CAG was formed on 29/06/1970 and the CF-104's were based at Baden-Soellingen being replaced by CF-188's. It stood down from flying operations on 01/01/1993.

I am looking back through old BARG's (1969 to 1975) to see if there is a listing. In these early years there is nowhere near as much information on non UK air arms as in later years.

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Re: 1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

Post by plmc135 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:01 am

Right hopefully a starting point,in BARG for April 1971 it gives a list of 85 CF-104D/G's which were noted at Prestwick (PIK) during February and March that year. Scottish Aviation had some form of maintenance contract which saved having to take the machines all the way back to Canada.

I can add one more to the list, which I will scan and send to you Tony by e:mail, and that is 104806 noted on 22/09/1969 at Prestwick but before 1 CAG was set up.

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Re: 1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

Post by merlinhunter » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:37 am

From doing a quick bit of research, I think (I am no expert) there were eight squadrons of CF-104s based in Europe in the early 1960s. 439 and 441 at Marville, 421 and 430 at Grostenquin, 427 and 434 at Zweibrucken and 422 and 444 at Baden Solligen. When France took control of nuclear weapons based on their soil the two Grosenquin squadrons moved (421 to BS and 430 to ZR) while the Marville ones continued in a reconnaissance capacity, until France left NATO. The number of squadrons was decreased when the Canadian armed forces were amalgamated in 1968. I know nothing about serials though.

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Re: 1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

Post by Wolf51 Flt » Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:40 pm

Sorry about the EDAN = Lahr Think I'm living in the past Mike
some time's I don't even remember what's in me Log worrying
think I'm getting Old

Paul Thank's for that I have been through BARG for 76/77 only
and made a list from movements From EGPK/EGUA/EGUN/EGVG/
EGVJ/EGVI and EGWZ plus any RAF Sqdn exchanges in UK and RAFG.

Sorry Mike that's Prestwick/Upper Heyford/Mildenhall/Woodbridge/
Bentwaters/Greenham and Alconbury

merlinhunter I did not Know there were so many CAF or RCAF Sqdn's
in Europe That has opened my eyes and will now look at the history
of NATO .

Thank's to you all Guys Wolf51 Flt

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Re: 1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

Post by plmc135 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:50 pm

Copy of BARG page should be with you. That gives you 85 + 1 I saw at PIK.

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Re: 1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

Post by plmc135 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:09 am

I have now looked through BARG's for 1972 to 1976. From 1972 onward there is not very much information about individual foreign air arms, the main thrust is all to do with US military, so I have found no more specific info about RCAF CF-104's.

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Re: 1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

Post by Jutter » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:33 am

Wolf51, a short list below with CF-104's I saw in the 80's. No specific squadrons noted. They often didn't have squadron markings.
Maybe old Scramble magazines have more info. Shall check these.

Menno

104733 C F-104 1CAG 19850528-1 Leeuwarden CAF
104735 C F-104 1CAG 19840622-1 Gilze Rijen CAF
104747 C F-104 1CAG 19840815-2 Waddington CAF
104770 C F-104 1CAG 19840625-1 Gilze Rijen CAF
104786 C F-104 1CAG 19850621-1 Leeuwarden CAF
104787 C F-104 1CAG 19840815-2 Waddington CAF
104788 C F-104 1CAG 19840815-2 Waddington CAF
104815 C F-104 1CAG 19840815-2 Waddington CAF
104839 C F-104 1CAG 19840622-1 Gilze Rijen CAF
104841 C F-104 1CAG 19840815-2 Waddington CAF
104842 C F-104 1CAG 19840704-1 Gilze Rijen CAF
104842 C F-104 1CAG 19850621-1 Leeuwarden CAF
104869 C F-104 1CAG 19840622-1 Gilze Rijen CAF
104873 C F-104 1CAG 19840622-1 Gilze Rijen CAF
104883 C F-104 1CAG 19850528-1 Leeuwarden CAF
104893 C F-104 1CAG 19840815-2 Waddington CAF

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Re: 1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

Post by hanzl » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:27 pm

Hi Wolf51 flt,
'Patrick Martin's book 'Çanadian Starfighters: the CF-104 and CF-104D in Candadian Service 1961-1986' gives a listing by serial no., though not too specific..It might be helpfull?
grtz
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Re: 1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

Post by Jutter » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:23 pm

Cambrai 79
653 785 859 862 865 893
Uk 79
762 795 810 827 866 873
Greenham Common 6-79
760
Florennes 6-79
762 795 835 839 848 891
Ramstein 8-79
716 762 770 845 837 824 / 795
Strasbourg 17-6-79
848
Baden Solingen 18-6-79
743 796 798 806 823 843 866
Newbury 80
790
Ramstein 80
749 750 751 841 873 808
Dijon 80
762
Soesterberg 8-80
658 743 747 762 786 806 835 841 859 873 883 899
Mildenhall 80
790
Baden Solingen 20-6-81
761 810 822 706 713 716 739 749 756 760 776 790 796 806 808 815 821 827 835 843 848 862 868 883 885
Ramstein 8-81
713 760 770 815 822 826
Mildenhall 82
749 751 756 761 810 822 830
Karup 82
808 815
Jever TAM82
716 751 756 776 787 806 810 827 837 862 883

Gr. Menno

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Re: 1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

Post by Wolf51 Flt » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:08 am

Thank's Guys That is real Help

Just seen a program on the internet that said 139 aircraft were shipped to europe for the
NATO sqdn's in France and West Germany.

By the time I started spotting the amount of Sqdn's were reduced to the one's in West
Germany at Baden Solingen only.The 1st CF-104's I ever saw were at Upper Heyford (EGUA)
in 1976 the open day on 4th July 104756 Tiger stripes o/a 439 Sqdn and 104653 CF-104D no
marks and ex RCAF 755 CF-104 R.Norwegian AF

Think their call-sign's them days were CHECK TIGER and YOGI remember a flight departing
somewhere useing 'YOGI - Hotels'

Many thanks hanzi / jutter and Paul

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Re: 1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

Post by Weazel69 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:36 pm

Hi Guys I would like to submit some info to this conversation
Logged doing PD/Overshoots at RAF COLTISHALL - 25.09.1968 were the following CF104G's - 12759 & 12845 and CF104D - 12667 - ?? All were polished metal with white wings which apparently was the thing those days and a RCAF - !!! on the nose
Too this day I don't know where they had come from or went to. I have a publication which mentions 1 Wing & 4 Wing as operators of the type. I have seen reports of a "Tiger Meet" at Woodbridge but I am sure that was in 1969
forewarned is forearmed

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Re: 1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

Post by Philc81 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:20 am

I logged the following at shows in the late 70s and early 80s, often performing an impressive routine involving a four-ship formation plus singleton.

Mildenhall 26/5/79
104762 795 810 827 866 873

Greenham Common 23/6/79
104760

Leicester 24/8/80
104749 751 808 842 862

Greenham Common 27/6/81
104756 761 822 826

Greenham Common 24/7/83
104891 893

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Re: 1 CAG CF-104 in Europe

Post by womas » Tue May 04, 2021 11:52 am

The Military Aircraft Markings 1983 lists a rather long list of CF-104 serials. Looks like these are all CF-104's, Canadian and European based.

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