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RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

All discussion about the 2015 SDSR in here please.
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RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by Gary » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:11 am

Any discussion regarding the F-35 purchase stated in the SDSR, in this thread

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34893614

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by Rich H » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:56 pm

From the report:

"We will maintain our plan to buy 138 F35 Lightning aircraft over the life of the programme."

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by Snoop 95 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:14 pm

"We will maintain our plan to buy 138 F35 Lightning aircraft over the life of the programme"

Where are you going to put them? Marham won't be able to hold that many, even when 24 are on board ship. I think you'll have to find another base as well.

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by Maverick231 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:24 pm

My bets are Marham, Lossie and a few with 41 Squadron at Coningsby if the current Tornado's are anything to go by.
Unsure weather BoscomeDown will get one or not though as they haven't got a Typhoon either.
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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by Thunder » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:30 pm

Lossie won't get any under the current plan of 4 Sqns of Typhoons and the 9 P-8 Poseidon. Yeovilton maybe, but will that have the capacity once all Wildcat and Merlin units are there? The F-35 OCU and OEU may actually find themselves being based in the USA a bit like the Luftwaffe F-4 and Tornado.

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by TonyO » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:37 pm

I suspect we won't get anything like 138 in one go. Remember that F-35 will be being built in the 2030s and probably beyond. Think F-35D/E/F etc.

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by Agent K » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:45 pm

Thunder wrote:Lossie won't get any under the current plan of 4 Sqns of Typhoons and the 9 P-8 Poseidon. Yeovilton maybe, but will that have the capacity once all Wildcat and Merlin units are there? The F-35 OCU and OEU may actually find themselves being based in the USA a bit like the Luftwaffe F-4 and Tornado.
4 Squadrons of Typhoon at Lossiemouth? Where'd this come from? There were only 5 every initially planned, 3 at Lossiemouth and 2 at Coningsby with the OCU.

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by Thunder » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:06 pm

Agent K wrote:
Thunder wrote:Lossie won't get any under the current plan of 4 Sqns of Typhoons and the 9 P-8 Poseidon. Yeovilton maybe, but will that have the capacity once all Wildcat and Merlin units are there? The F-35 OCU and OEU may actually find themselves being based in the USA a bit like the Luftwaffe F-4 and Tornado.
4 Squadrons of Typhoon at Lossiemouth? Where'd this come from? There were only 5 every initially planned, 3 at Lossiemouth and 2 at Coningsby with the OCU.
Where have you been today? Currently six Sqns in service with 1,2 and 6 at Lossie and 3, 11 and 29 at Coningsby. Another two Sqns to form which will more than likely result in one at Lossie and another at Coningsby.

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by Agent K » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:33 am

Thunder wrote:
Agent K wrote:
Thunder wrote: Where have you been today? Currently six Sqns in service with 1,2 and 6 at Lossie and 3, 11 and 29 at Coningsby. Another two Sqns to form which will more than likely result in one at Lossie and another at Coningsby.
I've been aware of developments all day?!, I'm also well aware of the basing plan pre SDSR2015 hence I was correct in what I said? you stated "under the current plan", BUT there isn't a plan yet to base 4 squadrons at Lossie is there? hence my comment!, the 4th squadron being based there is just speculation, however you suggested there was a definite plan hence my comment on clarity, unless of course there is a plan you're aware of?

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by welshandy » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:05 am

I know 809NAS will be the RN's 1st F35 Squadron. Are there going to any more?

Surely the RN ones would be based at a RNAS?

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by Agent K » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:10 am

welshandy wrote:I know 809NAS will be the RN's 1st F35 Squadron. Are there going to any more?

Surely the RN ones would be based at a RNAS?
Not these days sadly, they will all be based in as few bases as possible (1? - Marham) and bar the markings will be identical aircraft, makes sense cost wise and logistically to operate them at the same base(s).

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by Gary » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:43 am

welshandy wrote:I know 809NAS will be the RN's 1st F35 Squadron. Are there going to any more?

Surely the RN ones would be based at a RNAS?
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There are already RN personnel at Marham starting the prep work for the F-35 arrival. Marham is going to be a big building site when the renovation work kicks off proper :lol: HAS complex and hangars are going to be torn down

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by Blackcat1 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:04 pm

Premature??
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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by Unknown74 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:26 pm

Shame neither Wittering nor Yeovilton seem likely to see F-35s (or are they?).........

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by RubyRoo » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:50 pm

The SDSR announced a new F-35 squadron was to stand up, but in the infographic they released in the report it only says 2 squadrons will be going in 2025?

617 and 809NAS have already been announced. Have I missed something?

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by Thunder » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:01 pm

Any other Sqns to operate the F-35 will not do so before 2025 is what I make of it. The UK have committed to 138 a/c so I would assume there will be more than three Sqns operating the type eventually.

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by Seaking93 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:34 pm

Several years ago an environmental impact study was carried out at Yeovilton, which resulted in the decision to base them at Marham as the F35B makes a lot more noise than the Sea Harrier did. All the houses close to Yeovilton including my own had double glazing and noise reduction boxes fitted to each room at MOD expense, also when an extra 2 seater came to VL all the houses within a noise footprint were given an extra payment as compensation.
It was decided that due to the noise there was no way the F35B could be based at VL hence Marham was chosen as there are less people living within the noise footprint.

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by thorny1a » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:49 pm

We don't mind having three F-35 bases in Norfolk... Marham, Coltishall & Sculthorpe! & if they dredge the outer harbour at Great Yarmouth we can have the carriers too! :clap:
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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by welshandy » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:04 am

thorny1a wrote:We don't mind having three F-35 bases in Norfolk... Marham, Coltishall & Sculthorpe! & if they dredge the outer harbour at Great Yarmouth we can have the carriers too! :clap:
I don't think they will be using Coltishall any time soon http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-34900965

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Re: RAF / RN F-35 Purchase - Discussion thread

Post by plmc135 » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:17 am

thorny1a wrote:We don't mind having three F-35 bases in Norfolk... Marham, Coltishall & Sculthorpe! & if they dredge the outer harbour at Great Yarmouth we can have the carriers too! :clap:
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