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US seeking new JSTARS airframes

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:23 pm
by Velvet Glove
WASHINGTON — The US Air Force hopes to develop a new JSTARS surveillance aircraft based on a business jet, one which could be operational as soon as 2022.

The service hopes to “reduce the life cycle costs of the weapon system” by moving the mission onto a business jet platform, according to a request for information (RFI) posted on a federal contracting website Jan. 23. . That document states that the platform will use an open architecture in order to better integrate with different technologies expected to be in the field by the time the program finished.

The E-8 JSTARS, short for Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System, is a modified Boeing 707-300 with long-range radars the Air Force says can locate, track and classify ground vehicles at a distance of up to 124 miles. There are 18 platforms in inventory.

“The proposed airborne system will include four main components: the airborne platform, a sensor subsystem, a BMC2 [battle management command and control] subsystem, and a communications subsystem,” according to the RFI. “The government plans to acquire the system using a multiple contracts strategy.”

In order to “minimize cost and schedule risk,” off-the-shelf equipment and modules are requested for the BMC2. Responses to the RFI are due Feb. 28, days after the service hopes to host an ISR industry day at the Pentagon.

Speaking in September, Gen. Mark Welsh, Air Force chief of staff, surprised reporters by bringing up a JSTARS modernization project as a funding priority.

“The medium-altitude ISR [intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance] fleet has to be recapitalized. Right now, there’s not a plan to do that. We think the first thing we need to do is recapitalize JSTARS,” Welsh said at an annual Air Force Association conference. “That intelligence has been phenomenally successful.”

More recently, the man in charge of the service’s ISR indicated a new JSTARS program remained a priority, and gave a hint as to what it may look like.

“I think we would say that it would be a different physical platform than the current airplane that’s doing it,” Lt. Gen. Robert Otto, deputy chief of staff for ISR, said in a Jan. 23 interview. “It would be modern sensors and modern communications and all of that might suggest that there’s a size, weight and power equation that meets that requirement. I am a big fan of competition, and we throw out our basic requirements and see what comes back from the private sector.”

“I would like to certainly begin that process,” Otto said. “You have to win the argument through the department in order to put money against it.”

And that remains the biggest hurdle to a new JSTARS platform — funding. Service officials have been clear that this budget is going to be a painful one, with whole platforms facing cuts and upgrades to legacy fleets unlikely to receive funding that can go toward priorities like F-35 joint strike fighters.

The funding opportunities for a JSTARS recapitalization are going to be slim for the next few years, which likely explains why the Air Force is choosing to focus only on the BMC2 subsystem in this RFI. The sensor and communications subsystems, as well as the aircraft itself, are not covered by the RFI. It also raises questions about whether the stated operational target of 2022 is realistic.

The service has said it intends to retire the JSTARS fleet by the early 2030s, but modernizing the aging technology has proven a challenge — a program to develop more efficient engines for the platforms was killed in 2012, and the planes still fly with old processing systems.


Source: http://www.defensenews.com/article/2014 ... y=nav|head

Re: US seeking new JSTARS airframes

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:45 pm
by POL
Restarting the Global Express BACN project then?

Re: US seeking new JSTARS airframes

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:17 pm
by Malcolm
Can't help wondering what they're going to do about an E-3 replacement. Those airframes are all 30 years old. I'd have though it would make sense to specify a single 'large' airframe and engines to keep costs dowm, and now they've selected KC-767, I'd have thought it would prove more cost effective to specify the 767 airframe to replace E3, E8 and possibly E6 too. Perhaps E4 and VC-25 as well. The problem with that is the word sense.

Re: US seeking new JSTARS airframes

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:40 pm
by rh226
Malcolm wrote:Perhaps E4 and VC-25 as well. The problem with that is the word sense.
Quite. Especially if you think of the "Biggest and Best" syndrome that seems to pervade the American way of thinking.

Mind you, when you think of all the "highly indispensible" members of the entourage that have to travel on these machines, would a 767 be big enough?

OK. I'm a cynic. :halo: :D

Re: US seeking new JSTARS airframes

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:42 am
by the concerned
I've often wondered if you could take the uav technology and apply to the operators at each of the awacs/jstars/mpa stations. What I mean is do these operators really need to actually sit in these aircraft or could you data link their stations from the ground. so then all you need on each aircraft is 2 crew plus some systems engineers on board.

Re: US seeking new JSTARS airframes

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:49 am
by lukaszm
Malcolm wrote:Can't help wondering what they're going to do about an E-3 replacement. Those airframes are all 30 years old. I'd have though it would make sense to specify a single 'large' airframe and engines to keep costs dowm, and now they've selected KC-767, I'd have thought it would prove more cost effective to specify the 767 airframe to replace E3, E8 and possibly E6 too. Perhaps E4 and VC-25 as well. The problem with that is the word sense.
That is not American way. Bigger better and have to be American

Re: US seeking new JSTARS airframes

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:09 am
by PONSH
I think it stipulates in the specified requirements for an AF1 that it has to have 4 engines. If you're in a twin (KC-767) variant & you lose an engine for whatever reason, you have to land ASAP or be within 180 minutes flying time of a suitable alternate airfield if your using ETOPS. I think the B767 family are a good airframe to base replacements for the KC,EC,WC,OC,RC,NKC,E3,E6 & E8 (and any that I've missed) on as you've got 3 sizes to choose from with 12hr endurance + before AAR is required, commonality of spares & engines if they go with the cracking CF6/767 combo.

Re: US seeking new JSTARS airframes

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:41 pm
by Davef68
Malcolm wrote:Can't help wondering what they're going to do about an E-3 replacement. Those airframes are all 30 years old. I'd have though it would make sense to specify a single 'large' airframe and engines to keep costs dowm, and now they've selected KC-767, I'd have thought it would prove more cost effective to specify the 767 airframe to replace E3, E8 and possibly E6 too. Perhaps E4 and VC-25 as well. The problem with that is the word sense.
Tried that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-10_MC2A

Re: US seeking new JSTARS airframes

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:09 am
by Supra
darn Marvellous! Stiffed by our 'special relationship' with the USA again? No sooner have they flogged the UK a trio of veteran crates for our shiny 'Fair Sneaker', then they start looking at platforms from this Millennium.