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It is still a bitter pill to swallow for Brough, despite the concessions to keep a small part of the manufacturing side going.hammo wrote:good news for BAE systems, not so good for BAE Brough, the Hawks will be built at the BAE Warton facility with Brough getting a few parts to manufacture. Looks like we`ve seen the last of maiden flights out of Brough.
That will probably depend on if they are going to be pure trainers or have some ground attack ability. If they need pylons for weapons those will have to be fitted outside Switzerland.teeonefixer wrote:I wonder if the PC-21's will be delivered direct or via Warton to get mods (as did the PC-9's) ?
Not true in the case of the PC-9's...the first batch came through Brough to have certain aspects of their design (built to FAR part 23)modified to meet UK requirements (DEF-STAN 00-970), such as fastener connections in control systems and a host of minor details. It may be that the PC-21 is to more common standards (JAR?) which will be acceptable to MoDSAP. Otherwise, it's off to Switzerland to see them !Viper28 wrote:That will probably depend on if they are going to be pure trainers or have some ground attack ability. If they need pylons for weapons those will have to be fitted outside Switzerland.teeonefixer wrote:I wonder if the PC-21's will be delivered direct or via Warton to get mods (as did the PC-9's) ?
Fair comment, didn't know any of thatteeonefixer wrote:Not true in the case of the PC-9's...the first batch came through Brough to have certain aspects of their design (built to FAR part 23)modified to meet UK requirements (DEF-STAN 00-970), such as fastener connections in control systems and a host of minor details. It may be that the PC-21 is to more common standards (JAR?) which will be acceptable to MoDSAP. Otherwise, it's off to Switzerland to see them !Viper28 wrote:That will probably depend on if they are going to be pure trainers or have some ground attack ability. If they need pylons for weapons those will have to be fitted outside Switzerland.teeonefixer wrote:I wonder if the PC-21's will be delivered direct or via Warton to get mods (as did the PC-9's) ?
. However my original statement was based on the fact that being a neutral country Swiss companies cannot directly export military equipment. Therefore if the customer wants to take advantage of the PC-21's provisions for wing and center hard-points they have to be installed outside of Switzerland. No idea if that's "plug and play" or wiring etc. is involved.The Swiss export millions of arms and munitions every year. There are strict guidelines but when these are met the arms flow.Viper28 wrote: However my original statement was based on the fact that being a neutral country Swiss companies cannot directly export military equipment.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/Wa ... d=32277794" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Switzerland exported some SFr872.7 million in war materiel in 2011, a 36 per cent increase over 2010
Exporting military supplies such as arms, munitions and military equipment from Switzerland requires the approval of the State Secretariat for Economic Affairs (seco). The Federal Department of Foreign Affairs (FDFA) considers every application on its merits, ensuring that Switzerland meets its international obligations and that international law and the principles of Swiss foreign policy are respected. The following factors are taken into account:
the preservation of peace
international security
regional stability
respect for human rights
Swiss development cooperation
the attitudes of other countries.
In 2005 Switzerland exported military supplies to the value of CHF 259 million